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Thread: Democrat Governor Terry Mcauliffe restores voting rights to 200K felons

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    You can't crawl out from under this...I saved it. You actually stated that liberals are for morality and ethics..,when all you have to do is take a quick gander at what they support...at the titles of threads they create...and the steady flow of arguments posed against morality and ethics.
    Nonsense. You think there is some objective standard of morality and ethics, and that they exactly coincide with your own?

    I hope you feel better about yourself when you hurl personal insults at me. I also never ranted about people looking down their noses...I noted that liberals do rant about people looking down their noses.
    A personal insult? When?


    Big difference.


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    You're a hypocrite for believing that you have some priceless, transcendent morality, yet others look down their noses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    YES - Allow redemption, absolutely. But, along with that, You must be willing to accept the world's (state) punishment for your actions as well.

    I'm not looking down my nose...as you are at me...I am standing on the same ground I always have. I love people enough to hold them to the fire for their behaviors and expect them to accept what they have earned.

    Again...the left has a warped sense of love and hate...thinking they mean what they do not.

    Notice how you hold to two different standards...one for the felon and another for those that stand with principle and/or with God.
    Hogwash.

    Once released they have already faced and served the punishment for their actions and should be allowed to return to a normal status.

    You seem to think they should remain in punishment status, forever.

    Not very Christian.

    As Christians claim to have higher standards to follow, I hold them to those standards. Yet they always fail to meet them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howey View Post
    What a moronic post. Are you saying someone convicted of writing bad checks* or possession of cocaine/marijuana shouldn't have a gun?

    That said, this issue is the penultimate poster child of failed state's rights.

    Taking away someone's ability to vote is simple voter disenfranchisement, going back decades to the Jim Crow days. That it is a common practice of Republican governors today is sickening.

    We need a uniform Federal regulation granting voting rights to all eligible convicted felons.

    *True story. I, along with a columnist with the Orlando Sentinel, am working with a military veteran who was convicted of writing two bad checks totalling less than $200 in 1982. He voted every year until 2000 until the Florida voter roll purge, when he was notified he could no longer vote as a convicted felon.

    He's been trying seven years to get his civil rights restored. Our pissant mother fucker Governor Scott refuses to do so.
    You do know jim crowe laws came from democrats. You speak through ignorance not facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingbeast View Post
    Just another armchair, TV watching no-nothing. Most of the inmates in my classes over 11 years here teaching in the joint wouldn't even know how to load a gun. And most DON'T reoffend, especially those who get an education. Yes, the things Fox "News" doesn't tell you.

    As always you spew opinions instead of knowing the facts

    52 Percent of Released Prisoners Return to Prison-67 Percent Rearrested


    An estimated two-thirds (68 percent) of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of release from prison, and three-quarters (77 percent) were arrested within five years, per the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).
    More than a third (37 percent) of prisoners who were arrested within five years of release were arrested within the first six months after release, with more than half (57 percent) arrested by the end of the first year.
    These findings are based on a BJS data collection, Recidivism of State Prisoners Released in 2005, which tracked a sample of former prison inmates from 30 states for five years following release in 2005.
    During the five years after release, prisoners in the study were arrested about 1.2 million times across the country. A sixth (16 percent) of released prisoners were responsible for nearly half (48 percent) of the arrests. About two in five (42 percent) released prisoners were either not arrested or were arrested no more than once in the five years after release.

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    Think about it in practical terms. Vocational training and education in prison. Release contingent upon satisfactory progress.

    All rights restored for non-violent felons with possible exception of weapons. No obligatory reporting requirement to prospective employer for non-violent felons. Probation.

    All rights restored for violent felons except right to bear arms. Obligatory reporting requirement to prospective employer for violent felons. Probation.

    Develop partnerships between local probation offices, felons, employers. Subsidize employers? Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Nonsense. You think there is some objective standard of morality and ethics, and that they exactly coincide with your own?

    A personal insult? When?


    You're a hypocrite for believing that you have some priceless, transcendent morality, yet others look down their noses.
    I'm absolutely certain I did not pen this:

    It's just plain lucky for Democrats that the moral/ethical good also happens to be a good for their party.
    Hard not to notice what libs say when it's convenient..."there is no moral code and morality is relative" out of one side of their mouths and when convenient "It's just plain lucky for Democrats that the moral/ethical good also happens to be a good for their party."

    Personal insult -
    I think the arrogance you cite isn't limited to one group, and you exhibit it yourself in that very post. And there are many moral/ethical systems. If you are ignorant of all but one, you need more education.
    Hypocrisy 101
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    Quote Originally Posted by angryamerican View Post
    Hogwash.

    Once released they have already faced and served the punishment for their actions and should be allowed to return to a normal status.

    You seem to think they should remain in punishment status, forever.

    Not very Christian.

    As Christians claim to have higher standards to follow, I hold them to those standards. Yet they always fail to meet them.
    So - when someone harms you or those you love and they receive punishment, you let your "guard" down and do not consider their past actions...say this person was an accountant at your small business...and it's after they served their time...You figure they did their time and would be worthy to hold the same position? Or do you consider their past record?

    Christians are called to love them (Hope the best for them in the long run just as you do yourself) they are not commanded to respect them, trust them or even like their company.

    Another glaring example of a non believer attempting to preach from the Bible they do not believe or understand. Your bigoted ignorant slip is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You do know jim crowe laws came from democrats. You speak through ignorance not facts.
    Southern racist bigots, I grew up among them, now they are all Republicans and I still live among them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You do know jim crowe laws came from democrats. You speak through ignorance not facts.

    Don't start that silliness again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Southern racist bigots, I grew up among them, now they are all Republicans and I still live among them.
    They are still alive? The ridiculous things liberals repeat...they hear some stupid excuse and just puke it back up.

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