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    "The Obama administration has essentially adopted the position of the Bush administration in these cases," said Kevin Bankston, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, "even though candidate Obama was incredibly critical of both the warrantless wiretapping program and the Bush administration's abuse of the state secrets privilege."


    Obama is just another bought off puppet, he Bush, congress, they're all owned by the same groups, and their agenda is not the same agenda that the American people have. Liberty, freedom, the pursuit of happiness, well those are words that the people forgot, and the government shit on!

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    [quote name='mjollnir' date='31 October 2009 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1257010303' post='48807']

    http://blogs.abcnews...ilegeagain.html



    The police state continues!!

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    I don't really have a problem with this. I didn't have a problem with it when Bush did it, and I don't have a problem with it now that Obama is doing it, other than the fact that he was critical of Bush for doing it.



    The real question is, what will our liberal friends do? Will they rush to Obama's defense, forgetting how critical they were when Bush did it?



    Will they sheepishly admit that it was right to do this all along?



    Will they criticize Obama for doing it?



    My guess is that most will go for option #1.

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    [quote name='SideTraKd' date='31 October 2009 - 12:17 PM' timestamp='1257016678' post='48884']

    I don't really have a problem with this. I didn't have a problem with it when Bush did it, and I don't have a problem with it now that Obama is doing it, other than the fact that he was critical of Bush for doing it.



    The real question is, what will our liberal friends do? Will they rush to Obama's defense, forgetting how critical they were when Bush did it?



    Will they sheepishly admit that it was right to do this all along?



    Will they criticize Obama for doing it?



    My guess is that most will go for option #1.

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    i had a problem with this since day one, still do. The government claims that the security apparatus is to protect us, bullshit, it is used against us.

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    [quote name='michaelr' date='31 October 2009 - 02:20 PM' timestamp='1257016809' post='48889']

    i had a problem with this since day one, still do. The government claims that the security apparatus is to protect us, bullshit, it is used against us.

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    I have to disagree. I do accept that there are national security concerns that prompt for this sort of action. I think there are certainly cases where it would be valid and in our interests.



    Whether or not each case has individual merits is another story. We'd never know unless we knew all of the details.

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    [quote name='SideTraKd' date='31 October 2009 - 02:25 PM' timestamp='1257017141' post='48898']

    I have to disagree. I do accept that there are national security concerns that prompt for this sort of action. I think there are certainly cases where it would be valid and in our interests.[/quote]



    Absolutely. But one thing to keep in mind is if there is abuse exploiting or anything clandestine going on there is no way to have transparency. So lets say a government agency fucks up and breaks the law or violates the constitution, how are you going to defend yourself if at every turn you are denied because of national security?



    Now in the OP's case Holder is saying that they aren't doing this to cover up, so for the sake of argument, I'll let that go but that still doesn't make note of the potential that it could happen, a cover up. Where this happens there is no justice for those who were potentially wronged.



    Whether or not each case has individual merits is another story. We'd never know unless we knew all of the details.


    And you won't know the details. That is the point... where transparency is concerned of course.



    This could be a really benign apparatus I'll admit. But we must also take note of the potential for abuse and exploitation. Its already being claimed today.

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    [quote name='michaelr' date='31 October 2009 - 02:13 PM' timestamp='1257016380' post='48876']

    Obama is just another bought off puppet, he Bush, congress, they're all owned by the same groups, and their agenda is not the same agenda that the American people have. Liberty, freedom, the pursuit of happiness, well those are words that the people forgot, and the government shit on!

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    Once again, I call this republicans stinking up the room, then holding their nose and pointing to others. Bush handed Obama such a mess that he can't possibly get around to solving all the problems at once. I'm sure this is somewhere down the list of things to do. Maybe after he stopped the killings of two wars, Stopping torture of prisoners, and saves the country from financial disaster, he will get around to the small stuff like illegal wire taps. Just be patient, he'll get there.

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    [quote name='SideTraKd' date='31 October 2009 - 12:25 PM' timestamp='1257017141' post='48898']

    I have to disagree. I do accept that there are national security concerns that prompt for this sort of action. I think there are certainly cases where it would be valid and in our interests.



    Whether or not each case has individual merits is another story. We'd never know unless we knew all of the details.

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    We have laws, hell an entire court for legal wire taps, the Bush admin demonized it, and then the liars claimed they were not casting a net. Well as it turns out, the fucking NSA owners the phone companies, they were casting a net. Then they made it worse, they started in on emails and then actual snail mail. This has nothing to do with national security, it is about control, behavior, and stifling speech.



    Now were going to an entirely new level...Paranoia Watch: Ultrasecret NSA Has Conspicuous Role in New Federal Cybersecurity Center...all of this and the crash happening at the same time is no coincidence. The MIAC and other reports should tell you that you....or some of us have been the target all along. It is time to hold these cowards feet to the fire, and make them accountable. There is no room for error nor trust here. They do not trust us, I suggest we allow them the same courtesy.

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    [quote name='jacksbrat' date='31 October 2009 - 02:44 PM' timestamp='1257018246' post='48924']

    Once again, I call this republicans stinking up the room, then holding their nose and pointing to others. Bush handed Obama such a mess that he can't possibly get around to solving all the problems at once. I'm sure this is somewhere down the list of things to do. Maybe after he stopped the killings of two wars, Stopping torture of prisoners, and saves the country from financial disaster, he will get around to the small stuff like illegal wire taps. Just be patient, he'll get there.

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    You are right JacksBrat. Bush did hand Obama this and its up to Obama to do with it what he wants. Obama seems to be okay with one of Bush's policies.



    Interesting no?

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    [quote name='jacksbrat' date='31 October 2009 - 12:44 PM' timestamp='1257018246' post='48924']

    Once again, I call this republicans stinking up the room, then holding their nose and pointing to others. Bush handed Obama such a mess that he can't possibly get around to solving all the problems at once. I'm sure this is somewhere down the list of things to do. Maybe after he stopped the killings of two wars, Stopping torture of prisoners, and saves the country from financial disaster, he will get around to the small stuff like illegal wire taps. Just be patient, he'll get there.

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    He is hiding it or quashing any attempt make these criminals accountable....Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit



    BTW I am not a republican.

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