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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Muslims say; religious freedom for me, but not for thee.

    The Golden Rule and other reciprocity sayings indicate that what we grant ourselves or some others should also be granted to everyone. This would include the right to critique religions and governments.

    Islam and it’s Muslim adherents are quite vocal in denigrating other religions and political system, yet say that others who denigrate Islam and Sharia should be penalized in various ways, --- even unto death.

    Where I come from, reciprocity is fair play and all players in a game play by the same rules. Islam and Muslims wants to win the God wars by having different restrictive rules for their interlocutors.

    Should we respect and tolerate a religion that denies us the rights and play by the same rules that they enjoy?

    If yes, please tell me why we should respect such a religion.

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    You know, I've never heard a Muslim say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    I agree that Christianity was no better in the past.

    If secular and internal forces had not forced Christianity to reform, we would disrespect it as much as the deserved disrespect I show Islam.

    Both have grown themselves by force instead of good deeds and neither deserve respect.

    If you are shown intolerance by someone, do you tolerate them?

    Is reciprocity fair play?

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    Genuine Christianity has always been good. The Bible says "By their fruits you shall know them". (Matthew 17:16). Genuine Christians will try to share the good news of the gospel of Christ. We will not use force to convert people. We know that it does not work like that. God knows if you honestly believe, or have just been forced to become "Christians".

    The Bible says "There is none that doeth good, no, not one. (Romans 3:12) We are all sinners who cannot "BE GOOD" on our own.

    "For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).

    I am not good, only God is good. I am saved by believing in Jesus. You can be saved by believing in Jesus. Jesus saved murderers, prostitutes, thieves and He can save you too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Meyers View Post
    Genuine Christianity....
    This statement engages the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, by asserting that people who are not nice are not "real Xians." It makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Meyers View Post
    Genuine Christianity has always been good. The Bible says "By their fruits you shall know them". Matthew 17:16. Genuine Christians will try to share the good news of the gospel of Christ. We will not use force to convert people. We know that it does not work like that. God knows if you honestly believe, or have just been forced to become "Christians".
    well, there are other reason to profess you are christian. acceptance, politics, social status - all the usual sociopolitical things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    well, there are other reason to profess you are christian. acceptance, politics, social status - all the usual sociopolitical things.
    None of these other reasons will mean anything to God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Meyers View Post
    None of these other reasons will mean anything to God.
    never indicated it would. but, in some communities, it sure helps to improve an individuals status. not all who say they are Christians are pure at heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPorter View Post
    You know, I've never heard a Muslim say that.
    Perhaps you need a hearing aid or something to help you think.

    They think or say it every time they kill an infidel, apostate or cartoonist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Meyers View Post
    Genuine Christianity has always been good.
    They lost there goodness when they usurped the Chrestian religion and made it Christian.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=rAt-PAkgqls

    It got even worse when they took the intelligent Jewish view of our elevation in Eden and called it a fall.

    The Bible says "By their fruits you shall know them". (Matthew 17:16).
    Quite true, and if Jesus were here, he would see that Christianity and Islam have both grown their religions by the sword and not good deeds and he would condemn both religions due to that violence.

    Genuine Christians will try to share the good news of the gospel of Christ.
    I see that as an outright lie.

    You never see the church quote these.

    Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    Here is Allan Watts to help you understand what your church has hidden from you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRN...layer_embedded

    We will not use force to convert people. We know that it does not work like that.
    Are you denying the many Christian Inquisitions and the many wars between various protestant sects?

    What of this.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.af40d7f6d0db

    And this.

    Death to Gays.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE

    God knows if you honestly believe, or have just been forced to become "Christians".
    You have no way of knowing what God knows.

    Stop putting thoughts in his imaginary mind.

    The Bible says "There is none that doeth good, no, not one. (Romans 3:12) We are all sinners who cannot "BE GOOD" on our own.

    "For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).

    I am not good, only God is good. I am saved by believing in Jesus. You can be saved by believing in Jesus. Jesus saved murderers, prostitutes, thieves and He can save you too.
    So God makes us defective then has his son needlessly murdered instead of just forgiving us for being exactly what he created us to be and we are supposed to think there is justice in punishing the innocent instead of the guilty.

    Are you insane or just immoral?

    You seem to be a literalists so why are you not reading these literally?

    Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

    Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

    How do you, as a wicked person get to put your wickedness onto another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Muslims say; religious freedom for me, but not for thee.

    The Golden Rule and other reciprocity sayings indicate that what we grant ourselves or some others should also be granted to everyone. ...
    "Aheb li akheek ma tuhibu li nafsik." Translation: "Wish for your brother, what you wish for yourself."

    - Hadith 13

    Not only is the "Golden Rule" not unique to Christianity, they didn't even write it first. It appears nowhere in the Old Testament, and has been found on Egyptian papyrus dating back centuries before Christ. It's also found in the writings of Confucius (around 500 B.C.), and in the religions of ancient Greece and Rome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Muslims say; religious freedom for me, but not for thee.

    The Golden Rule and other reciprocity sayings indicate that what we grant ourselves or some others should also be granted to everyone. This would include the right to critique religions and governments.

    Islam and it’s Muslim adherents are quite vocal in denigrating other religions and political system, yet say that others who denigrate Islam and Sharia should be penalized in various ways, --- even unto death.

    Where I come from, reciprocity is fair play and all players in a game play by the same rules. Islam and Muslims wants to win the God wars by having different restrictive rules for their interlocutors.

    Should we respect and tolerate a religion that denies us the rights and play by the same rules that they enjoy?

    If yes, please tell me why we should respect such a religion.

    Regards
    DL
    Do you support religious freedom?

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