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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    [T]he "Golden Rule" ... appears nowhere in the Old Testament.
    Vayikra (Leviticus) 19:18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    "Aheb li akheek ma tuhibu li nafsik." Translation: "Wish for your brother, what you wish for yourself."

    - Hadith 13

    Not only is the "Golden Rule" not unique to Christianity, they didn't even write it first. It appears nowhere in the Old Testament, and has been found on Egyptian papyrus dating back centuries before Christ. It's also found in the writings of Confucius (around 500 B.C.), and in the religions of ancient Greece and Rome.
    Indeed. There is almost nothing original in Christianity or Islam. Most of both myths came from Sumer and Egypt.

    I tried to ask Muslims at one of their sites if they had such a rule but no one indicated that there was one. Seems you are a better informed Muslim than most.

    Tell us though, why do Muslims and Sharia not apply that rule to women?

    I see where Muslim apply it to brothers, but they seem to not apply it to sisters as they say women are worth only half of men.

    Further, why do they not apply it to apostates, non-believers and gays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Do you support religious freedom?
    No. They have generally never had full freedom and have always answered to governments.

    Their freedom should be rescinded if they ask for privileges that go against the law of the land.

    Secular law has already bested any of the theistic laws that the mainstream religions have come up with. We have evolved and so should the idol worshiping religions that are stuck in some long past century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    No. They have generally never had full freedom and have always answered to governments.

    Their freedom should be rescinded if they ask for privileges that go against the law of the land.

    Secular law has already bested any of the theistic laws that the mainstream religions have come up with. We have evolved and so should the idol worshiping religions that are stuck in some long past century.

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    So you do not support religious freedom.

    Thanks for the candid answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    So you do not support religious freedom.

    Thanks for the candid answer.
    Your welcome, so why the repeat question?

    What is it about, no, along with my explanation, that is not clear?

    Should the religious businesses have one washroom for theists and another for blacks?
    Oops, I meant for the non-religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Indeed. There is almost nothing original in Christianity or Islam. Most of both myths came from Sumer and Egypt.

    I tried to ask Muslims at one of their sites if they had such a rule but no one indicated that there was one. Seems you are a better informed Muslim than most.
    Nah, I'm just a Google ninja.

    Tell us though, why do Muslims and Sharia not apply that rule to women?
    @Gnostic Christian Bishop

    All major religions have ridiculously long codices of poorly-worded laws. In all cases, there are multiple interpretations, contradictions, and passages that simply make no sense in any context. Think of Sharia Law like kosher laws for Jewish people. There are many Jews who follow every last rule, down to the letter. There are many more Jewish people who avoid eating ham, bacon, and pork-based entrees - and ignore many the other rules. It's a broad spectrum.

    Same goes for Sharia Law. It covers LOTS of subject, including the importance of washing one's hands, and brushing teeth. Seriously. If you regularly wash your hands and brush your teeth, you are following Sharia Law. So the term "Sharia Law" should not automatically be considered scary. Yes - there are pieces of Sharia Law that are genuinely awful. And millions of Muslims (especially in the United States) ignore these pieces the same way that most Jews and Christians overlook the "stoning" directives in the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Nah, I'm just a Google ninja.



    @Gnostic Christian Bishop

    All major religions have ridiculously long codices of poorly-worded laws. In all cases, there are multiple interpretations, contradictions, and passages that simply make no sense in any context. Think of Sharia Law like kosher laws for Jewish people. There are many Jews who follow every last rule, down to the letter. There are many more Jewish people who avoid eating ham, bacon, and pork-based entrees - and ignore many the other rules. It's a broad spectrum.

    Same goes for Sharia Law. It covers LOTS of subject, including the importance of washing one's hands, and brushing teeth. Seriously. If you regularly wash your hands and brush your teeth, you are following Sharia Law. So the term "Sharia Law" should not automatically be considered scary. Yes - there are pieces of Sharia Law that are genuinely awful. And millions of Muslims (especially in the United States) ignore these pieces the same way that most Jews and Christians overlook the "stoning" directives in the Bible.
    interesting statement. kinda applies to civil laws also. meny are followed (and enforced) absolutely - others not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Nah, I'm just a Google ninja.



    @Gnostic Christian Bishop

    All major religions have ridiculously long codices of poorly-worded laws. In all cases, there are multiple interpretations, contradictions, and passages that simply make no sense in any context. Think of Sharia Law like kosher laws for Jewish people. There are many Jews who follow every last rule, down to the letter. There are many more Jewish people who avoid eating ham, bacon, and pork-based entrees - and ignore many the other rules. It's a broad spectrum.

    Same goes for Sharia Law. It covers LOTS of subject, including the importance of washing one's hands, and brushing teeth. Seriously. If you regularly wash your hands and brush your teeth, you are following Sharia Law. So the term "Sharia Law" should not automatically be considered scary. Yes - there are pieces of Sharia Law that are genuinely awful. And millions of Muslims (especially in the United States) ignore these pieces the same way that most Jews and Christians overlook the "stoning" directives in the Bible.
    Indeed. It will be nice when all of Islam gets to that moral position and recognize that secular law has already bested the laws of the mainstream religions.

    Regards
    DL

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