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    Muslims say; religious freedom for me, but not for thee.

    Muslims say; religious freedom for me, but not for thee.

    The Golden Rule and other reciprocity sayings indicate that what we grant ourselves or some others should also be granted to everyone. This would include the right to critique religions and governments.

    Islam and it’s Muslim adherents are quite vocal in denigrating other religions and political system, yet say that others who denigrate Islam and Sharia should be penalized in various ways, --- even unto death.

    Where I come from, reciprocity is fair play and all players in a game play by the same rules. Islam and Muslims wants to win the God wars by having different restrictive rules for their interlocutors.

    Should we respect and tolerate a religion that denies us the rights and play by the same rules that they enjoy?

    If yes, please tell me why we should respect such a religion.

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    I have never had a Muslim tell me I could not believe as I wished.

    I have had more Christians, than I can count anymore, that I am not living as I should. That I must live as they want or I will burn in Hell.

    Never have I have a Muslim even broach religion with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    I have never had a Muslim tell me I could not believe as I wished.

    I have had more Christians, than I can count anymore, that I am not living as I should. That I must live as they want or I will burn in Hell.

    Never have I have a Muslim even broach religion with me.
    Not too surprising as they tend not to argue for their ideology because they know they would lose.

    They are quite vocal politically though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Not too surprising as they tend not to argue for their ideology because they know they would lose.

    They are quite vocal politically though.
    Gee, a two-year-old video, with much renting of clothing, and gnashing of teeth.

    Do you happen to know the outcome of the resolution that was being discussed? Here's a hint. Most of the Western countries are still free to speak of religions including Islamic religions, without having it's citizens hauled off to some prison.

    Take your anti-Islamic bullshit, and shove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    I have never had a Muslim tell me I could not believe as I wished.

    I have had more Christians, than I can count anymore, that I am not living as I should. That I must live as they want or I will burn in Hell.

    Never have I have a Muslim even broach religion with me.
    Perhaps if you lived in the Middle East your perspective would change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    Gee, a two-year-old video, with much renting of clothing, and gnashing of teeth.

    Do you happen to know the outcome of the resolution that was being discussed? Here's a hint. Most of the Western countries are still free to speak of religions including Islamic religions, without having it's citizens hauled off to some prison.

    Take your anti-Islamic bullshit, and shove it.
    You show your poor morals by protecting a barbaric, intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religion that does not believe in equality under the law.

    Take your pro-Islamic bullshit and shove it hard.

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    I think that sentiment is becoming somewhat...Universal...in the human condition.

    AND....it is not limited only to the practice of religion, but, rather, present in almost every aspect of our daily lives.

    There are, quite simply....TOO MANY Human beings on this small globe.

    We are not evolved enough to..."get along....."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    You show your poor morals by protecting a barbaric, intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religion that does not believe in equality under the law.

    Take your pro-Islamic bullshit and shove it hard.

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    Hey pal, you're the one with all the fear-mongering and and anti- Islamic bullshit.

    Like I said, you brought up and posted a two year old video that claimed the UN was days if not hours from a vote that would make denigrating any particular religion, especially Islam, a crime. Yet, no such anti-blasphemy ruling was ever passed, was it?

    And don't even talk to me about poor morals. It's you who stated that "The Golden Rule and other reciprocity sayings indicate that what we grant ourselves or some others should also be granted to everyone. This would include the right to critique religions and governments". You're absolutely right. I think that everyone should have the right to either venerate or disparage religion or any other institution, as befits their personal beliefs.

    But then, it's also you who asks "should we respect and tolerate a religion that denies us the rights and play by the same rules that they enjoy"? But I don't recall anyone telling you that you must respect or tolerate Islam. That's entirely up to you.

    I might be a little more circumspect, however, in what religions you call barbaric, intolerant, homophobic and misogynous, one that does not believe in equality under the law. Because nearly every one of those slurs could also be applied to most "Christian" religions - some as little as just a few years ago.

    What was that saying again? Something about sinners, and throwing the first stone?

    Yeah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    I think that sentiment is becoming somewhat...Universal...in the human condition.

    AND....it is not limited only to the practice of religion, but, rather, present in almost every aspect of our daily lives.

    There are, quite simply....TOO MANY Human beings on this small globe.

    We are not evolved enough to..."get along....."
    I think we are almost there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    Hey pal, you're the one with all the fear-mongering and and anti- Islamic bullshit.

    Like I said, you brought up and posted a two year old video that claimed the UN was days if not hours from a vote that would make denigrating any particular religion, especially Islam, a crime. Yet, no such anti-blasphemy ruling was ever passed, was it?

    And don't even talk to me about poor morals. It's you who stated that "The Golden Rule and other reciprocity sayings indicate that what we grant ourselves or some others should also be granted to everyone. This would include the right to critique religions and governments". You're absolutely right. I think that everyone should have the right to either venerate or disparage religion or any other institution, as befits their personal beliefs.

    But then, it's also you who asks "should we respect and tolerate a religion that denies us the rights and play by the same rules that they enjoy"? But I don't recall anyone telling you that you must respect or tolerate Islam. That's entirely up to you.

    I might be a little more circumspect, however, in what religions you call barbaric, intolerant, homophobic and misogynous, one that does not believe in equality under the law. Because nearly every one of those slurs could also be applied to most "Christian" religions - some as little as just a few years ago.

    What was that saying again? Something about sinners, and throwing the first stone?

    Yeah...
    I agree that Christianity was no better in the past.

    If secular and internal forces had not forced Christianity to reform, we would disrespect it as much as the deserved disrespect I show Islam.

    Both have grown themselves by force instead of good deeds and neither deserve respect.

    If you are shown intolerance by someone, do you tolerate them?

    Is reciprocity fair play?

    Regards
    DL

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