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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    My point is I don't think that he was.

    I believe Obama sincerely thought he was going to be able to shut down GITMO as President. Just because he was unsuccessful at achieving that goal, that doesn't automatically mean he was lying.
    No, then you don't say it. Making a Promise means its a PROMISE. Making an attempt is an attempt. If you accept the lie, then You have to accept them all.. This is basic shit here..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    IT SOLVES NOTHING.

    So NOT a good investment. A wall doesn't keep the Indonesians out does it?
    Well that is your opinion. I believe it will help. It seems to work well for Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Well that is your opinion. I believe it will help. It seems to work well for Israel.
    Israel has a Mexican problem? Because you Wallers seem to think that the Mexicans are actually a problem which baffles me..

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    And seriously, why do we care what people think or believe..? You do not make an investment unless you KNOW what the ROI will be.

    This is a really expensive game of Darts. I thought we were Conservatives? Goddamn frauds..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    No, then you don't say it. Making a Promise means its a PROMISE. Making an attempt is an attempt. If you accept the lie, then You have to accept them all.. This is basic shit here..
    A lie is when you make a false statement with the deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth.

    Just because someone breaks a promise - that does not automatically mean that they were lying when they made that promise.

    I agree that this is basic shit - but me and you just fundamentally disagree about the understanding of what constitutes a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    Israel has a Mexican problem?
    I did not say Israel has a Mexican problem.

    I said Israel has a wall, and it seems to work well for their security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    And seriously, why do we care what people think or believe..? You do not make an investment unless you KNOW what the ROI will be.

    This is a really expensive game of Darts. I thought we were Conservatives? Goddamn frauds..
    lol... the last thing I am is a conservative. So you thought wrong.

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    As long as the wall is being built, or worked on, Trump will come out as fulfilling his promise. He could say that he intends to renegotiate NAFTA and that would help pay for the wall, and numerous other policy changes. This is a political win for Trump's base.

    And what if the wall actually does help curb drug trafficking and human trafficking? Double win then.
    Thanks from Jeremy

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    As long as the wall is being built, or worked on, Trump will come out as fulfilling his promise. He could say that he intends to renegotiate NAFTA and that would help pay for the wall, and numerous other policy changes. This is a political win for Trump's base.

    And what if the wall actually does help curb drug trafficking and human trafficking? Double win then.
    Does that include blowing hot air about it? Many of us knew he has been completely full of shit about it's costs and who's going to pay for it from the second he started with this bullshit.
    I will not be built.
    Mexico will not pay for it.
    DHS has said they can only come up with a fraction of what it is going to cost over all..he still needs 23billion to instantly appear for it to even be discussed as being reality. It is just his base of supporters who desperately need to believe that him blowing hot wind is a double win.
    They aren't even concerned with reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    As long as the wall is being built, or worked on, Trump will come out as fulfilling his promise. He could say that he intends to renegotiate NAFTA and that would help pay for the wall, and numerous other policy changes. This is a political win for Trump's base.

    And what if the wall actually does help curb drug trafficking and human trafficking? Double win then.
    That's what people seem to miss. There are numerous avenues the President has at his disposal to make Mexico indirectly chip in for the price of the border wall - whether it is through trade, tariffs, visa fees etc. He discussed some of those possibilities during the campaign.

    A lot of people seem to think he was suggesting Mexico was just going to hand over a giant check to pay for the wall. But that's not what he meant.

    But your analysis is spot on. So long as Trump gets the wall built - it will be a political win for him in the end no matter who ends up paying for it. The border wall and trade reform were the two bedrock principles of his campaign. If he delivers on those - in four years he'll be in good shape.

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