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    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Does that include blowing hot air about it? Many of us knew he has been completely full of shit about it's costs and who's going to pay for it from the second he started with this bullshit.
    I will not be built.
    Mexico will not pay for it.
    DHS has said they can only come up with a fraction of what it is going to cost over all..he still needs 23billion to instantly appear for it to even be discussed as being reality. It is just his base of supporters who desperately need to believe that him blowing hot wind is a double win.
    They aren't even concerned with reality.
    The wall will not be built? Have you forgotten that the GOP controls the entire federal government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    That's what people seem to miss. There are numerous avenues the President has at his disposal to make Mexico indirectly chip in for the price of the border wall - whether it is through trade, tariffs, visa fees etc. He discussed some of those possibilities during the campaign.

    A lot of people seem to think he was suggesting Mexico was just going to hand over a giant check to pay for the wall. But that's not what he meant.

    But your analysis is spot on. So long as Trump gets the wall built - it will be a political win for him in the end no matter who ends up paying for it. The border wall and trade reform were the two bedrock principles of his campaign. If he delivers on those - in four years he'll be in good shape.
    It will be interesting to see if Trump decides to renegotiate NAFTA. He doesn't need congress to back out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    The wall will not be built? Have you forgotten that the GOP controls the entire federal government?
    Yep..the wall will not be built..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Trump just makes shit up. Eventually even his supporters will figure that out, but it's tougher to make a mark see he's been grifted than it is to grift a mark.
    Mark Twain: It is easier to fool someone than to convince them that they have been fooled.

    Twain agrees with you, obviously. I happen to think that is one of the TRUEST observations ever made about human nature. It's in my signature for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    So, lies only matter when "the other guy" tells them. Got it. By the way, did you know that 1/3 of the undocumented immigrants in this country are of Asian origin, not Mexican, and that Mexican undocumented immigration has actually been decreasing over the last 6 years. So, tell us, again, how this wall is going to "secure our nation"?
    Well, iff'n that be true, we needs to build a wall on our border with ASIA!! DUH!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    One third of Mexican illegal immigrants come by air.
    Then we need to build a wall IN THE AIR!!! DUH!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    He didn't say directly. He meant via tariffs. He still thinks he's going to do that, but ...

    It?s Official: Americans Are Paying for Trump?s Wall ? Twice - Ron Paul Liberty Report
    Sigh. He CANNOT force Mexico to pay for the wall via tariffs. People who say such things don't have a fucking CLUE about HOW tariffs work. If we impose tariffs on Mexican products, here is who PAYS those tariffs: American consumers. That's who. THEY pay because WHAT a tariff does is to drive a wedge between the domestic price of a product and the international price, with the domestic price being higher.

    So, yes, when Donald Trump says he is going to make Mexico pay for the wall with tariffs, he is simply revealing what a woeful fucking economics ILLITERATE he really is.

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    The wall is really just a symbol of Trump's ideology. It might very well curtail drug and human trafficking. Maybe. But it's not the most efficient way to patrol the border. Border agents say drones and sensors will work better.

    Food for thought...

    US Border Patrol Doesn't Want a Wall?They Want Drones and Sensors

    Reuters has a new report citing unpublished documents and interviews within the US Customs and Border Protection agency. What the American authorities on the ground want is roughly 23 more miles of real-world fencing. But mostly reinforcements to the “virtual wall” that they’ve been building since the 1970s. That includes more sensors, drones, and cameras on the US-Mexico border.
    Exclusive: No wall, but more high-tech gear, fencing sought by U.S. border agents | Reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Considering illegal immigration costs this country over a 100 billion dollars a year - I'd say the border wall is a good investment.
    A poster who is unaware that there is FURIOUS debate among professional economists over just what the 'costs' of illegal immigration are to our society, with SOME studies finding it to be a net positive.

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    Will this wall keep out the Indonesian Muslims who pour into this country or just filthy Mexicans?

    Please stop with the cartel BS, what are we cable news?

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