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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Actually, Trump's false accusation is bad in two ways.

    First, Trump gratuitously impugned the character of a former president, and Trump needs to apologize to Obama.

    Second, Trump's gratuitous slander of Obama was done to get the Russia scandal out of the news, and the question is why?

    Perhaps it is more evidence there is something in that scandal.
    There is no evidence that Trump was colluding with the Russians. Now you can pretend that there is, but there isn't.

    And considering the liberal democrats have spent the last several months slandering Trump - you'll forgive me if I'm not outraged by this.

    If the liberal democrats don't like it when people make accusations without evidence - then perhaps they should stop doing it themselves. Otherwise they look like babies when they cry about it. So as far as I'm concerned, they had it coming.

    But anyway, I believe Czern is correct. It was politically a good move. You can disagree with us if you like. That is your right as an American.
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    I'd bet dollars to donuts Trump at least knew about the tax return and approved the leak. He did the same thing with the Obama wiretapping accusation. He knows exactly what he's doing.

    Trump is playing 4D underwater backgammon and the press is playing hungry hungry hippos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    I'd bet dollars to donuts Trump at least knew about the tax return and approved the leak. He did the same thing with the Obama wiretapping accusation. He knows exactly what he's doing.

    Trump is playing 4D underwater backgammon and the press is playing hungry hungry hippos.
    Strange that bits of his tax returns that are strangely undergoing federal audits which he claims is the reason he won't release them are being released.


    Is this amazing game of 4d underwater backgammon the same thing as lying one's ass off to the American public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Strange that bits of his tax returns that are strangely undergoing federal audits which he claims is the reason he won't release them are being released.


    Is this amazing game of 4d underwater backgammon the same thing as lying one's ass off to the American public?
    I see it more as playing your enemies instead of lying to the public. And I doubt many of Trump's supporters cared much about his tax returns anyway (I know I sure didn't).

    Besides, there are ways to have things leaked without having to do it yourself - or without even having direct knowledge about it.

    The President is reminding the democrats they aren't the only ones who know how to play these kind of political games. Trump is not the usual sort of Republican who just lays down and takes it. He actually fights back - which is one of the reasons he is President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Strange that bits of his tax returns that are strangely undergoing federal audits which he claims is the reason he won't release them are being released.


    Is this amazing game of 4d underwater backgammon the same thing as lying one's ass off to the American public?
    Who beat the "most qualified presidential candidate in the history of the world"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I see it more as playing your enemies instead of lying to the public. And I doubt many of Trump's supporters cared much about his tax returns anyway (I know I sure didn't).

    Besides, there are ways to have things leaked without having to do it yourself - or without even having direct knowledge about it.

    The President is reminding the democrats they aren't the only ones who know how to play these kind of political games. Trump is not the usual sort of Republican who just lays down and takes it. He actually fights back - which is one of the reasons he is President.
    The left is convinced that there are shady deals with Russia and Trump is beholden to the oligarchs and believe his tax returns will reveal it all.

    Amusing to watch, but...

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    I get a kick out of a clip I saw on TV. It was Trump early in the campaign saying "Believe me, I will never lie to you.!" It struck my funny bone that he lies about lying. Sure, all politicians lie about some things but this knucklehead lies just for the sake of lying. He plays a constant game of catch me if you can. And he's the fuckin' President for fuck sake!

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    Finish your thought. But what? He has deep ties to Putin and the money laundering scheme at Deutche Bank. Wait and see. You won't be amused very much longer. That'll be my job. See? He's creating jobs already!

    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    The left is convinced that there are shady deals with Russia and Trump is beholden to the oligarchs and believe his tax returns will reveal it all.

    Amusing to watch, but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Then the Democrats will resolve the issue, or we just assume without tangible proof?
    No, this needs to be a bipartisan inquiry, led by the GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Actually we sort of agree about this.

    His wiretap accusation probably was just a political ploy to put his rivals on the defensive. If anything, it threw something else into the pot so it wasn't just this ridiculous Russian conspiracy narrative dominating the news.

    For a political novice - the President is more skilled at politics than many give him credit for. Sadly for the liberal democrats they still haven't figured out that when they allow him to push their buttons and stir them into a frenzy they are just feeding right into his hands. He's been doing this successfully since he started his campaign and it's kind of sad they still haven't learned.
    Well, I agree, except what ELSE has he done OTHER than arouse outrage?

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