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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    So, in your view, the state owns the jobs? Is that what you mean?
    That post probably made sense to you.

    Have no idea what you are talking about.....
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    First offense should be prison. They know they are breaking the law. But it saves them on labor, so it's worth the risk.
    Ok. Well, we certainly disagree on that point.

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    Because of the screwed up way that the government has of communicating about the status of employees, it wouldn't be all that hard for someone to inadvertently hire an unauthorized alien. That's why I support a fine for the first offense, then harsher punishment later.


    Of course, this could backfire. Especially if we don't make it easier to confirm status. But even then. There could be some employers who just won't hire Latinos because they worry more about getting a penalty than about being charged with discriminatory hiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Except that no POTUS has prosecuted employers for these crimes, including Obama.
    Obama was not the one that ran on a platform of demonizing and scapegoating immigrants, that would be our boy Trump and his fellow sycophants, minions, toadies and lickspittles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    That post probably made sense to you.

    Have no idea what you are talking about.....
    If we toss employers into prison for giving their jobs to the candidate they think will serve them best, then we have to be saying that the job the employer created is not theirs. If the jobs do not belong to the employers that own the companies that create the opening, then the state must own the jobs. Understand?

    There is a term that seems to elude me at the moment. It describes a form of government where the state owns labor and production. Anyway, somebody owns the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Has Trump made any moves yet toward disincentivizing the hiring of unauthorized workers?

    Any more enforcement or penalties planned for employers who break the law?
    Trump has his little Trumpsters are so mind fucked that they're still chanting "Lock Her Up."

    Farmers are worried and so are their pickers. I'm sure ICE will have a field day (pun intended) all over the US any day now. Then who will pick the crops? White unemployed people?

    One more policy Trump hasn't thought through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Kallie Knoetze,

    That sounds really nice but what has actually been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    If we toss employers into prison for giving their jobs to the candidate they think will serve them best, then we have to be saying that the job the employer created is not theirs. If the jobs do not belong to the employers that own the companies that create the opening, then the state must own the jobs. Understand?

    There is a term that seems to elude me at the moment. It describes a form of government where the state owns labor and production. Anyway, somebody owns the job.
    That's some fancy pretzel logic you have there.

    No. It would be holding individuals accountable for violating the law. Employers are free to select the best choice from the candidate pool. But persons in this country illegally are not eligible to be in that pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Agree on the first part of your post. Would add a caveat to the second.

    Those who hire illegals should be held accountable. But would like to see the penalty element be graduated. The practice of hiring undocumented workers has become so common and ingrained in our society that it going to take a little time to undo. There needs to be a practical/realistic approach to the problem.

    First offense should be a fine and a warning. That should be the wake-up call. A second or third offense penalty would be notably harsher.
    That's essentially the system now, though it can be argued it isn't enforced much on the employer end. Living out here in agricultural land, I can tell you that there is an attitude that skirting the law year after year will bring bigger profits than the fine assessed should you get caught and be prosecuted.

    I believe in immigration reform and stronger borders. But if the penalty on the worker end is arrest, detention, and deportation, then the penalty on the employer end shouldn't be just a slap on the wrist. Maybe something more reasonable would be a fine for the first offense, jail time for the second, and for the third offense the business assets are confiscated and auctioned off on the courthouse steps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    That's essentially the system now, though it can be argued it isn't enforced much on the employer end. Living out here in agricultural land, I can tell you that there is an attitude that skirting the law year after year will bring bigger profits than the fine assessed should you get caught and be prosecuted.

    I believe in immigration reform and stronger borders. But if the penalty on the worker end is arrest, detention, and deportation, then the penalty on the employer end shouldn't be just a slap on the wrist. Maybe something more reasonable would be a fine for the first offense, jail time for the second, and for the third offense the business assets are confiscated and auctioned off on the courthouse steps.
    There is nothing wrong with allowing migrant workers for seasonal agricultural needs. Just needs to be done legally and in an organized/structured fashion. When the work ends the migrants go home. (to a degree believe that is the way it works now.)

    Those that break the rules/commitment are the ones that should and need to be held accountable. That applies to both the worker and the employer. But a complete change in standards and mindset will take a little time. Am probably thinking more in terms of urban restaurant and service workers than agriculture.

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