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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    If we toss employers into prison for giving their jobs to the candidate they think will serve them best, then we have to be saying that the job the employer created is not theirs.
    How the fuck do you figure that? Because there are certain persons that employers cannot hire that makes the job the property of govt? That is ridiculous.

    If the jobs do not belong to the employers that own the companies that create the opening, then the state must own the jobs. Understand?
    No not at all.

    There is a term that seems to elude me at the moment. It describes a form of government where the state owns labor and production. Anyway, somebody owns the job.
    There is obvious a lot that eludes you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    Fancy pretzel logic? Only someone with an IQ lower than their shoe size would agree with that.

    If one employer can hire a foreign laborer, but another industry, or even another employer, cannot how does that not violate the 14th Amendment?

    Are you suggesting that we become slaves to statutory law? If so, there would have been no America, no Rosa Parks, and no individual Right to keep and bear Arms... plus a lot of other important things that happened because the people reclaimed a Right they already had.
    No, you are the one with extremely small feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    Again, I'm perfectly okay with the $10K fine/10 year prison term per illegal for businesses that are caught willfully flouting the law. I don't know where you got the idea I wasn't. What I'm NOT okay with is the politically expedient attempt by leftists to project the blame for illegal immigration on businesses when leftists have been luring them here with their politics for decades.
    Noone was claiming business were responsible for illegal immigration, I think he was saying businesses are reponsible if they hire illegal aliens to work for them if that is against the law. And it wasn't leftists but Reagan that granted millions of them amnesty that lured them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    Presupposing that people have unalienable Rights, the employer gets to decide who is eligible to get the job; immigration laws can only be used as a regulation tool, NOT a tool to disqualify people from participating in the free market.
    Bullshit. the employer doesn't not have the fucking "unalienable" right to hire someone who has, by law, been deemed ineligible to hold a job in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Uhhh, no. If someone has entered the country illegally they are not eligible for employment.

    Are you just trolling? Or are you really that clueless...?
    I'll go with the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Noone was claiming business were responsible for illegal immigration, I think he was saying businesses are reponsible if they hire illegal aliens to work for them if that is against the law. And it wasn't leftists but Reagan that granted millions of them amnesty that lured them here.
    He foolishly agreed to grant 3 million amnesty on the condition that the people who were pushing it would agree to tighten up border security/enforce immigration law. They reneged on their end of the bargain, of course....now there's 20 million and gawd knows how many Jackpot Babies feasting on the public trough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    How the fuck do you figure that? Because there are certain persons that employers cannot hire that makes the job the property of govt? That is ridiculous.



    No not at all.


    There is obvious a lot that eludes you.
    The one thing that does not elude me is the fact that you believe you have all the answers. Here's a news flash: You don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    No, you are the one with extremely small feet.
    You're forgetting something cowboy: I didn't buy your small minded explanation. Regardless of my shoe size, my IQ is high enough to believe you have any kind of ability to post cogent responses - maybe multiple responses, but no cogent ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Bullshit. the employer doesn't not have the fucking "unalienable" right to hire someone who has, by law, been deemed ineligible to hold a job in this country.
    Employers, as individuals, have an equal protection of the laws pursuant to the 14th Amendment. If you spent as much time READING the posts than trying to curse and swear at people, maybe you might understand what is going on, but I doubt it. Your reading and comprehension skills are woefully lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    CA farmers could not possibly harvest their crops without migrants from south of the border. do they get these fines and imprisonment too?
    Are they not able to use the guest worker program in order to stay on the side of the law?

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