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    Some here may want to talk to the farmers in various parts of the country to see how immigration laws are affecting them.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=farm...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    Americans in general may want to also consider the overall increase in the cost of goods and services when the illegals (who will work for cheap because an hourly wage in America is a daily wage where they came from). A more expensive salad and vegetables are not going to affect the likes of billionaires like Donald Trump, but for his supporters that are not billionaires, or even millionaires, or not even considered in the wealthy class, food is going to cost more and so are their hotel rooms, their lawn mowing, gardening and a whole lot of other things.

    As for the wealthy Trump supporters, they are likely going to find a ready supply of foreigners in American to pay under the table for maid service (or to boff on the side like Arnold S. did) au pair and other services. Some of my still republican (of the neo type) relatives are always giving me tips on how to hire and pay people under the table (I just roll my eyes).

    Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy Study
    "The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released a report in February 2016, stating that 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States are paying annually an estimated amount of $11.64 billion in state and local taxes, "on average an estimated 8 percent of their incomes."


    Social Security subsidization[edit]
    "Illegal immigrants pay social security payroll taxes but are not eligible for benefits. During 2006, Standard & Poor's analysts wrote: "Each year, for example, the U.S. Social Security Administration maintains roughly $6 billion to $7 billion of Social Security contributions in an "earnings suspense file"—an account for W-2 tax forms that cannot be matched to the correct Social Security number. The vast majority of these numbers are attributable to illegal workers who will never claim their benefits. For 2010, the Social Security Administration estimated that illegal immigrants and their employers paid $13 billion in social security (OASDI) payroll taxes".
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom..._United_States


    Yes, technically what both employers and people here illegally are doing is illegal and should be stopped, but speeding and running stop signs are illegal too, but few, if any are calling for a crackdown on traffic violations simply because they are illegal and need to be enforced. I have also always felt the pulse of American attitude and consideration of others, can be felt by driving on America's highways. We've definitely become a greedier, more selfish and self-centered society, by that standard, as well as simple awareness of other people in the world aside from themselves. Walk along a busy sidewalk or in a mall and groups of people will take up the entire width of a sidewalk without the slightest awareness or care there are people coming toward them or behind them that would like to get by. I have to say excuse me to get by when they are walking towards me and looking right at me, but not allowing space for anyone to pass and I see people going into the street to get by them. While there have always been selfish and inconsiderate people, there seems to be a proliferation of them now and perhaps that has something to do with Trump being in the White House, now. Perhaps not a big deal on individual levels, but collectively our double standards become our identity and we lose credibility when we won't walk our talk or the walk what we try to tell others they should do.


    To me, Trump is so full of himself he charges into ventures he has not thought much about in terms of negatives, only about how he sees himself profiting. When they don't work out, he still has his millions, so while he "feels it" literally mathematically, his luxurious lifestyle is little changed, when he can sell a yacht or two, a home or two, but still live high off the hog. He can't relate to people on the edge who suffer greatly even with a minor negative change in their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    He foolishly agreed to grant 3 million amnesty on the condition that the people who were pushing it would agree to tighten up border security/enforce immigration law. They reneged on their end of the bargain, of course....now there's 20 million and gawd knows how many Jackpot Babies feasting on the public trough.
    On the condition others would agree to tighten the border? I thought he was president? Why didn't he do it? I mean, we have a slow recovery from a recession and everyone blames Obama when it was assholes in congress trying to practice austerity at the same time that caused it? Why don't we blame them for the slow recovery? Yeah, Reagan pulled us out of a recession quicker because he bought us out by breaking all spending records at the time which is how you are supposed to do it. Obama had a bunch of dipshit teabaggers trying to practice austerity. They must either be really stupid or just wanted that recession to drag out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    Employers, as individuals, have an equal protection of the laws pursuant to the 14th Amendment. If you spent as much time READING the posts than trying to curse and swear at people, maybe you might understand what is going on, but I doubt it. Your reading and comprehension skills are woefully lacking.
    Why do you keep citing that stupid "equal protection under the law" bullshit as though it gives an employer the right to break it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Are they not able to use the guest worker program in order to stay on the side of the law?
    Don't know, not a farmer from CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Why do you keep citing that stupid "equal protection under the law" bullshit as though it gives an employer the right to break it?
    That's a silly question. It has already been answered. Why don't you try reading the fucking thread and quit trying to be a smart ass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Some here may want to talk to the farmers in various parts of the country to see how immigration laws are affecting them.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=farm...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    Americans in general may want to also consider the overall increase in the cost of goods and services when the illegals (who will work for cheap because an hourly wage in America is a daily wage where they came from). A more expensive salad and vegetables are not going to affect the likes of billionaires like Donald Trump, but for his supporters that are not billionaires, or even millionaires, or not even considered in the wealthy class, food is going to cost more and so are their hotel rooms, their lawn mowing, gardening and a whole lot of other things.

    As for the wealthy Trump supporters, they are likely going to find a ready supply of foreigners in American to pay under the table for maid service (or to boff on the side like Arnold S. did) au pair and other services. Some of my still republican (of the neo type) relatives are always giving me tips on how to hire and pay people under the table (I just roll my eyes).

    Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy Study
    "The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy released a report in February 2016, stating that 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States are paying annually an estimated amount of $11.64 billion in state and local taxes, "on average an estimated 8 percent of their incomes."


    Social Security subsidization[edit]
    "Illegal immigrants pay social security payroll taxes but are not eligible for benefits. During 2006, Standard & Poor's analysts wrote: "Each year, for example, the U.S. Social Security Administration maintains roughly $6 billion to $7 billion of Social Security contributions in an "earnings suspense file"—an account for W-2 tax forms that cannot be matched to the correct Social Security number. The vast majority of these numbers are attributable to illegal workers who will never claim their benefits. For 2010, the Social Security Administration estimated that illegal immigrants and their employers paid $13 billion in social security (OASDI) payroll taxes".
    [34]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom..._United_States


    Yes, technically what both employers and people here illegally are doing is illegal and should be stopped, but speeding and running stop signs are illegal too, but few, if any are calling for a crackdown on traffic violations simply because they are illegal and need to be enforced. I have also always felt the pulse of American attitude and consideration of others, can be felt by driving on America's highways. We've definitely become a greedier, more selfish and self-centered society, by that standard, as well as simple awareness of other people in the world aside from themselves. Walk along a busy sidewalk or in a mall and groups of people will take up the entire width of a sidewalk without the slightest awareness or care there are people coming toward them or behind them that would like to get by. I have to say excuse me to get by when they are walking towards me and looking right at me, but not allowing space for anyone to pass and I see people going into the street to get by them. While there have always been selfish and inconsiderate people, there seems to be a proliferation of them now and perhaps that has something to do with Trump being in the White House, now. Perhaps not a big deal on individual levels, but collectively our double standards become our identity and we lose credibility when we won't walk our talk or the walk what we try to tell others they should do.


    To me, Trump is so full of himself he charges into ventures he has not thought much about in terms of negatives, only about how he sees himself profiting. When they don't work out, he still has his millions, so while he "feels it" literally mathematically, his luxurious lifestyle is little changed, when he can sell a yacht or two, a home or two, but still live high off the hog. He can't relate to people on the edge who suffer greatly even with a minor negative change in their lives.

    I'd like to offer you an alternative opinion:

    The majority of undocumented workers get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the freaking taxes. So, for most of them, this is a non-issue. IF you turned back the clock, my own U.S. Congressman introduced legislation to repeal the unconstitutional 16th Amendment, getting rid of the income tax and the IRS.

    The Right balked at such an idea because they needed the 16th Amendment in order to prop up the National ID / REAL ID Act and E-Verify (which uses the SSN as your "unique identifier.")

    IF taxes are the issue, then pass tax reform and get rid of that plank taken from the Communist Manifesto. IF you think jobs are the issue, then it's time to give employers incentives to hire Americans without jeopardizing the Rights of all people.

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