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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoom View Post
    Single payer inserts history's most bloated and inefficient middleman, the US Government, directly between the provider and the patient.
    Nope.

    Compared to the health insurance industry, the federal government is way behind on the bloat scale.

    For one thing, the federal government exists to serve the needs of its citizens, not make a profit for share holders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Not so.



    Youse guys just don't want to give up your tax subsidized health insurance.
    Who guys? I don't even have health insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    One thing is for sure, the quality of the product and service will drastically decrease under a federal single-payer system.
    That's what government involvement historically does.
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    If anything, it should be a state's issue.
    Constitutionally speaking, correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post

    For one thing, the federal government exists to serve the needs of its citizens, not make a profit for share holders.
    I prefer to look at results over rhetoric. Nearly every politician leaves office far wealthier than when they entered. Coincidence? Is that "serving the needs of the citizens"?

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    So, ALL these other countries are able to figure it out but Americans are just too fucking stupid???

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    How will it be funded? A hike in payroll taxes is my understanding. How much of a hike? Will half the hike be pawned off on employers? What might that increase do to wages and employment opportunities? What about lower wage earners? ("regressive"?).

    An individual's (and their employers') contribution to the Medicare system is accrued over their working lifetime, typically accessible only upon reaching the age of 65, and typically utilized for about 10 years for males and 17 years for females (and it's still deeply underwater)....Single Payer would make communal healthcare dollars available to an individual for their entire lives.

    What sort of cost control measures could we expect? Would...or should... individuals who engage in risky behavior be assessed a surcharge? how about the ridiculously high percentage of people who can't put down their fork? drug addicts and alcoholics? unsafe sex fetishists?

    Let's discuss it. Let's do some basic math.
    Employers will no longer have health insurance costs and hopefully, will share that bonus with employees.

    Meanwhile, the $6 trillion or so will be reduced to $3 trillion, via efficiencies of scale and price controls. That revenue can be provided via a tax on Wall Street, as Bernie suggested, or an increase in income tax rates, most steeply in the rich.

    Or a combination of these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    They are there now...
    I know, and look what a bloated inefficient mess it is.
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    But with insurance companies on top of that.
    If only government wasn't forcing us to pay those insurance companies...
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    This would be Medicare for all, and it seems to be doing fairly well in other countries...
    It has its pluses and minuses. Just like the free market system. I prefer the latter.
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    Insurance companies are "for profit" the govt isn't.
    Yet ever politician leaves office exponentially wealthier while our public debt skyrockets.
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    Should we abolish Medicare...?
    I would leave nothing off the table in an attempt to bbecome fiscally solvent. After all, if our currency collapses, we'll be in no position to help anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Employers will no longer have health insurance costs and hopefully, will share that bonus with employees.
    It is historically unwise to base policy decision upon hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoom View Post
    There is no way to fund single payer except via enormous economy-killing tax hikes on the working middle class.
    Yes, there is. If there weren't, it almost wouldn't be worth passing UHC.

    It's absolutely not necessary that every family's tax bill rise to pay for every family's additional government funded benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoom View Post
    It is historically unwise to base policy decision upon hope.
    I'm not. This is an opinion many leading economists share.
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