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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    These big, benevolent State Collectivist institutions won't work with an 'opt-out' feature. State Collectivism requires compulsory participation...not necessarily for you, the human, mind you, but for your money....in fact, the human component is so unimportant, big, benevolent State Collectivism breaths a big sigh of relief when you die before you collect a penny of Social Security or use Medicare.

    It's all about government dependency and wealth redistribution
    Exactly! You are correct again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoom View Post
    Not what I was implying. Build a wall around your property and enjoy the peace and security it provides.
    Peace and security, while my neighbor's child dies of untreated disease?

    That's not something any mentally healthy human could do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Peace and security, while my neighbor's child dies of untreated disease?

    That's not something any mentally healthy human could do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Peace and security, while my neighbor's child dies of untreated disease?
    No one would stop you from helping out your neighbor's kid if you wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoom View Post
    No one would stop you from helping out your neighbor's kid if you wanted to.
    It's nice to have completely illusory options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    and a new tax code will do that as well. the current system will not work if the citizens are to get the benefits they deserve.
    Sure it will.

    Just need to change the rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoom View Post
    I'd rather do a one time purchase of a wall than get stuck subsidizing the needy in perpetuity. I guess we differ on that point.
    These are not reality-based options.

    BTW, you are not rich, and plenty of tax dollars already get spent on you. Much of it paid by the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    and a new tax code will do that as well.
    Not unless you figure out a way to tax wealthy seniors differently and also fix all the glitches and cliffs and eligibility cutoffs plaguing working and middle class families. This would require comprehensive entitlement reform as well as tax reform. Health care reform is also needed. Might as well start there.

    the current system will not work if the citizens are to get the benefits they deserve.
    What is it that you think "they deserve?" Why does a 65-year old millionaire triple-pensioner "deserve" to pay essentially nothing for healthcare, whereas 40-year old parents of 2 young children who earn $130,000 "deserve" to pay $30,000 a year just in health premiums to an insurance company? Why does one type of American "deserve" something so drastically different than what the other type of American "deserves?"

    Well-to-do senior pensioners are raking in the benefits and their burden is unreasonably small. The poor will never pay anything -- they're poor. As the boomer generation fully enters retirement, the cost of health care and pension liabilities is going to absolutely crush the millennials. The "concentrated wealth" liberals incessantly complain about? Most of it is owned by older Americans who happen to consume most of the federal budget with their entitlements on top of the fact they're storing enormous sums of wealth.

    The need for health care reform is part and parcel of the need for entitlement reform. We have too much welfare money being sent to the rich who too many people think "deserve" to not have to bother consuming any of their amassed wealth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    These big, benevolent State Collectivist institutions won't work with an 'opt-out' feature. State Collectivism requires compulsory participation...not necessarily for you, the human, mind you, but for your money....in fact, the human component is so unimportant, big, benevolent State Collectivism breaths a big sigh of relief when you die before you collect a penny of Social Security or use Medicare.

    It's all about government dependency and wealth redistribution
    You seem to be avoiding my posts. For someone who gripes as much about state collectivism and dependency, it's strange that you would leave Medicare and Medicaid alone. It would seem that someone with your disdain for federal entitlements would oppose things like Medicare and Medicaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Disagree.

    At the current national cumulative cost it would be crushing. And unsustainable.
    Bullshit, @pragmatic. Pure, unadulterated, USDA Prime bullshit.

    I simply do not believe that it would be crushingly expensive, to the point of unsustainability. Every other First World country in the world affords UHC. Nearly every Second World nation can afford UHC.

    Why can the USA not afford to pay for the healthcare of it's citizens. Are we somehow less inventive than all these other nations? Are Americans more stupid than all of these other nations? My God, we helped win two World Wars. We put a dozen men on the moon, and brought them home again.

    What makes it more exponentially difficult for us to find a way to get to UHC, when dozens and dozens of other countries on Earth have found a way?

    Please, tell us all why it cannot possibly work here, without destroying the country...
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