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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Well actually it was only secular due to tyranny. You see what happens when the tyrant is gone, the fanatics take over. The moderates flea. WRONG. Fanaticism will never be extinguished from the outside. Stay and fight for moderation. It seems to be impossible to have democracy right after tyranny without unfortunately a fight to the death. We should not take the moderates but give woman and children a safe zone until the fighting is over. Unfortunately the fighting can not result in the fanatics taking over without putting the woman and children back into a situation that is clearly undesirable. What do you do? Peace in the Middle East is hard, who knew ?(being sarcastic I can't resist saying it because Trump said the same thing about Health Care, LOL).
    You don't understand Islam. There has to be a dictator to be secular. In Islam, society MUST reflect it's values. Which disallows democracy by definition. You can have Islamic shithole or Secular Dictator. Take your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Are you asserting this is the case in all Muslim countries?
    Name one the is not secular that allows open and frank discussion about Islam without fear of being seen as a blasphemer.

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    I have a counter question.

    Do you think people in Colorado have short brown hair?

    your answer to that is my answer about Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    You don't understand Islam. There has to be a dictator to be secular. In Islam, society MUST reflect it's values. Which disallows democracy by definition. You can have Islamic shithole or Secular Dictator. Take your pick.
    This is not true, democracy works in the country with the largest Muslim population, Indonesia. It also works in Turkey but at the moment it seems to be in danger of going authoritarian.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Indonesia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

    The Politics of Indonesia take place in a framework of a presidential representative democratic republic, whereby the President of Indonesia is both head of state and head of government, and of a multi-party system. Executive power is exercised by the government. Legislative power is vested in both the government and the two People's Representative Councils. The judiciary is independent of the executive and the legislature.[1]

    Indonesia has the largest muslim population in the world

    A general election in June 1999 produced the first freely elected national, provincial and regional parliaments in over forty years. In October 1999 the MPR elected a compromise candidate, Abdurrahman Wahid, as Indonesia's fourth president, and Megawati Sukarnoputri — a daughter of Sukarno, the country's first president — as the vice-president. Megawati's PDI-P party had won the largest share of the vote (34%) in the general election, while Golkar, the dominant party during the Soeharto era, came in second (22%). Several other, mostly Islamic parties won shares large enough to be seated in the DPR. Further democratic elections took place in 2004 and 2009.

    Since 2001, the government of Indonesia has co-operated with the US in cracking down on Islamic fundamentalism and terrorist groups.

    Turkey is having some problems of late but they will have to work it out. Currently they are getting close to Russia in an effort to defeat Isis and extremists popping up in Turkey.

    Turkey is a parliamentary representative democracy. Since its foundation as a republic in 1923, Turkey has developed a strong tradition of secularism.[118] Turkey's constitution governs the legal framework of the country. It sets out the main principles of government and establishes Turkey as a unitary centralized state. The President of the Republic is the head of state and has a largely ceremonial role. The president is elected for a five-year term by direct elections and Tayyip Erdoğan is the first president elected by direct voting.

    Voting for both sexes has been applied throughout Turkey since 1933, and every Turkish citizen who has turned 18 years of age has the right to vote. There are 550 members of parliament who are elected for a four-year term by a party-list proportional representation system from 85 electoral districts. The Constitutional Court can strip the public financing of political parties that it deems anti-secular or separatist, or ban their existence altogether.[120][121] The electoral threshold is 10 percent of the votes.[122]

    Supporters of Atatürk's reforms are called Kemalists, as distinguished from Islamists, representing the two diverging views regarding the role of religion in legislation, education and public life.[123] The Kemalist view supports a form of democracy with a laicist constitution and Westernised secular lifestyle, while maintaining the necessity of state intervention in the economy, education and other public services.[123] Since the 1980s, issues such as income inequality and class distinction have given rise to Islamic populism, a movement that supports a larger role for religion in government policies, and in theory supports obligation to authority, communal solidarity and social justice; though what that entails in practice is often contested.[123] Turkey under Tayyip Erdoğan and the AKP has been described as becoming increasingly authoritarian[124][125][126][127] with the Council of Europe seeing Turkey drifting towards an autocracy due to their supported constitutional reforms, warning of a "dramatic regression of its democratic order".[128][129][130] The newly proposed system, literally described as “a la Turca” presidency by the Turkish government, has little in common with presidential systems in the Western world. Many elements in the constitutional package increase concerns regarding democracy, separation of powers and checks and balances.[131]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    I don't think you mean to have a title that shows prejudice. If I were an American Muslim womani would sure be offended.
    Good. Then you might do something about your own slave status.

    In America, all are equal before the law. In Islam that right is denied women.

    If you are to defend Muslim female slaves, would you ask that that offended woman why she is offended by being considered only half as good as a man?

    Tell us, should we be prejudicial against slavery?

    I certainly am. Why aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Your question is too broad. It encompasses all Muslims.
    I specified the more right wing but if you wish to dance away from an answer, I understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    This is not true, democracy works in the country with the largest Muslim population, Indonesia. It also works in Turkey but at the moment it seems to be in danger of going authoritarian.
    Indonesia works to a minor level.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_I...hristian_girls

    Hardline Indonesian Muslims call for closure of Christian churches in Aceh

    In Pictures: New Islamic law in Indonesia - Al Jazeera English

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    Yea.

    When they are SLAVES.

    Not ALL Muslim nations treat women the same. But, in MOST, women are definitely a Second, or even Third Class citizen.

    I DO, most definitely share your concerns about the West's seemingly utter lack of concern. (Liberals in America are far, far, far more fixated on Slavery in the South, over a century ago, than they are over human trafficking of sex slaves, both outside AND inside our borders.)

    But, if you have not noticed, the human species has largely the same concerns about actual GENOCIDE. At best, we wring our hands about it all.....UNTIL it shows up at OUR doorstep......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Christian Bishop View Post
    Do you, a free person, see Muslim females as slaves?

    In the more right wing of Islam, females are what I would call slaves. I am prompted to think in that term because if I were a Muslim man living under Sharia, I can buy myself a few child brides. There is also little stopping me from doing the same, --- where Muslims live under Sharia law, --- in new adopted countries in the free world. Slavery returns to the West.

    Fraternité, if I may remind the English speakers, means a fiduciary relationship to all other people. Slave is appropriate here. Fraternité and honesty also forces that I must look at Muslim females as slaves.

    Do I, as a free man, have any responsibility to free these Muslim women, who inadvertently help propagate slavery by their lack of revolt against it?

    The West also helps propagate slavery by allowing it into the West.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtY5bv-oxLE

    If I, as a free man, hold a responsibility to free slaves, as a free person, do you?

    How much tolerance should tolerant nations give to a huge slave trading religion and government system?

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    do you see these girls and women as slaves?

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    Some of them.

    Certainly, psychologically.

    Nice deflection, though.

    But, once again, a piss poor comparison, that is only relevant in the minds of deluded leftists.

    I think, that it would probably be a wee bit easier for these women to "flee" than it is for one of the sex Slaves in Arabia. (Especially, those held by the likes of ISIS...)

    Do you think they have 9-year olds getting gang-raped, by multiple "Warriors?"

    And if one of the above ladies does "flee" the compound, do you think they are then executed?

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