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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    Dense my ass. I got it. You expect someone to guarantee you a job regardless of your qualifications. If anyone on this board is dense, it's the dumb asses that want to talk down to people rather than ask them to explain their position. If anyone on this board is dense, it's the dumb asses that want to call people names just because they disagree.

    The reason you don't qualify for the job is self evident from your posts. If you cannot interact with others any better than that, the school wasted their time with you and you don't deserve to be considered. We aren't a socialist nation yet.
    What part of they are having the American worker they are replacing at half the pay train them did you not understand? These are jobs that American workers already have and are being replaced by immigrants for half the pay. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Jobs belong to the employer, not the employee. Something many do not get.
    So you are perfectly OK with the H1 program importing cheap labor to replace American workers for half the pay? Just to clarify my thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Jobs belong to the employer, not the employee. Something many do not get.
    So let me get this straight. Your OK if an American company fires an American making $120,000 per year and imports a worker from India and pays them $60,000 per.? This leaves the American unemployed to collect unemployment and if no job comes up that pays what their previous job makes they in turn have to take a job making a fraction of what they use to make. Exactly what was your argument about Obama's economy only having low paying jobs or only part time jobs? Yeah SAY HYPOCRITE and look in the mirror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    What part of they are having the American worker they are replacing at half the pay train them did you not understand? These are jobs that American workers already have and are being replaced by immigrants for half the pay. Simple.
    @Humorme understands exactly what we are saying. Humorme has no argument when confronted with the truth so deny, deflect, ignore, insult, rinse and repeat. Trump has no defense for not making this a priority or even an issue now that he has the power to do so and close the loop hole. Hell he has so many EO's that aren't worth the paper they are written on. Congress has to give him the money to do most of them and without the money the EO's are just a wish list. Now here is an EO he could easily issue and within days the loop hole would be closed. No money from the federal budget would be required. Trump's doesn't do it because his companies still hire H1 workers and they are, along with the other billionaires and millionaires in his cabinet, the biggest abusers of the H1 Visa program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    So you are perfectly OK with the H1 program importing cheap labor to replace American workers for half the pay? Just to clarify my thinking.
    Clarify your thinking? I didn't post that I was okay with the H1B program. I didn't post an opinion about it. I believe in America First. That said, I believe in complying with the law. If those companies are hiring people using H1B visas and it is legal, then we have a couple choices. We can bring public attention to the situation and maybe either Americans that are willing to take the jobs will come forth or the company will elect to change their policy to avoid boycott, public pressure, etc. The second alternative is that we can change the law to no longer allow H1B visas or severely reduce them.

    If President Trump were to try and reduce H1B visas by executive order, would you support that order? Would the left get a judge to block the order? Would it be considered anti-immigrant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    So let me get this straight. Your OK if an American company fires an American making $120,000 per year and imports a worker from India and pays them $60,000 per.? This leaves the American unemployed to collect unemployment and if no job comes up that pays what their previous job makes they in turn have to take a job making a fraction of what they use to make. Exactly what was your argument about Obama's economy only having low paying jobs or only part time jobs? Yeah SAY HYPOCRITE and look in the mirror.
    The job belongs to the company not the employee. If the actions the company is taking is legal then we are faced with two choices. We can change the law or use public pressure to get the company to change it. Will you support President Trump if he comes forth with either executive action or asks for legislative action to cut the number of H1B visas granted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    We can bring public attention to the situation
    Which is EXACTLY what both 60 Minutes and the author of this OP are TRYING to do. And you seem OUTRAGED by that. Pretty WEIRD, I would say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Clarify your thinking? I didn't post that I was okay with the H1B program. I didn't post an opinion about it. I believe in America First. That said, I believe in complying with the law. If those companies are hiring people using H1B visas and it is legal, then we have a couple choices. We can bring public attention to the situation and maybe either Americans that are willing to take the jobs will come forth or the company will elect to change their policy to avoid boycott, public pressure, etc. The second alternative is that we can change the law to no longer allow H1B visas or severely reduce them.

    If President Trump were to try and reduce H1B visas by executive order, would you support that order? Would the left get a judge to block the order? Would it be considered anti-immigrant?
    Hello the loop hole was something big corporations lobbied for and they bought and paid for. It was slipped in a piece of legislation through the back door while the R's had a majority in the House and Senate. If Trump is pro worker, like he claims he is, rolling back that loop hole is as simple as rolling back environmental protections via EO's.

    PS it would not be anti-immigrant as it wouldn't even mention immigrant. It would be leveling the playing field by eliminating the salary exemption. It would go back to the original wording before it was changed. All jobs regardless of pay meet the same criteria of advertising to Americans' first and only being able to offer jobs via H1 Visa's if an American can't be found to fill the job at the same salary. The only purpose of the H1 Visa is to fill jobs that Americans can't fill due to lack of available qualified workers. It was never meant to give companies a way to save payroll expenses.
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    Hello the loop hole was something big corporations lobbied for and they bought and paid for. It was slipped in a piece of legislation through the back door while the R's had a majority in the House and Senate. If Trump is pro worker, like he claims he is, rolling back that loop hole is as simple as rolling back environmental protections via EO's.

    PS it would not be anti-immigrant as it wouldn't even mention immigrant. It would be leveling the playing field by eliminating the salary exemption. It would go back to the original wording before it was changed. All jobs regardless of pay meet the same criteria of advertising to Americans' first and only being able to offer jobs via H1 Visa's if an American can't be found to fill the job at the same salary. The only purpose of the H1 Visa is to fill jobs that Americans can't fill due to lack of available qualified workers. It was never meant to give companies a way to save payroll expenses.
    Okay, great. You blame the Republicans. Now that we've established that would you support President Trump significantly curtailing H1B visas? It really doesn't matter what it was meant to do. When you have a tax code and law system as overly complex as ours, there will be loopholes. What do you mean it doesn't mention immigrant? You really didn't put that in your post, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    What part of they are having the American worker they are replacing at half the pay train them did you not understand? These are jobs that American workers already have and are being replaced by immigrants for half the pay. Simple.
    On any job, you can be terminated if they find an employee for a cheaper price. Let me fix this issue for you and show you how to resolve it without the hate the foreigner drivel.

    1) Allow employers to hire whomever they want. The employers currently are taxed at rates up to 39 percent so you want to incentivize them

    2) Give a tax break for a company to hire an all American workforce

    3) Give additional tax breaks for companies that take people off welfare, the unemployment line and Americans with handicaps

    4) Offer substantial tax incentives for companies to bring jobs back to America

    An employer using all the incentives could reduce their tax rates from 39 percent down to 13 percent. OR employers can pay more in taxes and pay for the luxury of hiring foreigners. But, at the end of the day, it is the employer's choice.

    It is our fault, as Americans, that we have voted in a bastardized form of government that is trying to prep us for socialism while we've grown to take our Liberties for granted. The problem we have is too many taxes and regulations being imposed in a free market economy.

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