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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    Why don't you take your badly written fiction, and shove it back up whatever orifice you pulled it out of?

    Your work of imagination and speculation is yet another of your thinly veiled, yet fully transparent attempts to smear the Obama administration. It would be far better for all concerned if you found a forum on the web better suited to your anti-Obama masturbatory fantasies - say perhaps, Alex Jones or Breitbart.
    I have already provided plenty of research to demonstrate the pattern and you have not successfully disputed a single jot. I have links from dozens of sources that confirm the Obama preoccupation with controlling messaging and his obsession with winning. For me, none of this is personal. Yet, you seem to take it that way. This is not my problem, but yours.

    I have never seen such a full court press on a new President. It smacks of desperation and who has more to lose from the dismantling of the Obama agenda than Obama. It would entirely atypical of him to quietly ride off into the sunset.

    Here's a fairly early profile of Obama from the Times. They endorsed Obama.

    Obama Plays to Win, in Politics and Everything Else - The New York Times

    Here's a profile of the Obama preoccupation with politics from The Economist. They endorsed Obama.

    http://www.economist.com/news/united...manager-whoops

    I have plenty more. Woodward's first book on Obama had the theme of a preoccupation with politics.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.14718c368d4c

    Here is another piece from the Economist that details the Obama "smallness."

    http://www.economist.com/news/leader...is-country-and

    Unlike some, I study a man's supporters who are honest enough to tell it like it is.

    This credentialed investigative reporter studied the way Obama controlled the narrative.

    http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/05/0...-attkisson-ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    I have already provided plenty of research to demonstrate the pattern and you have not successfully disputed a single jot. I have links from dozens of sources that confirm the Obama preoccupation with controlling messaging and his obsession with winning. For me, none of this is personal. Yet, you seem to take it that way. This is not my problem, but yours.
    Not my problem, either. Your research always amounts to "I'm smarter than you, so just trust me". We haven't disputed a single jot? Try giving us something to dispute other than your word.

    This isn't personal to me, either. I just get sick and tired of hearing your sad, sorry attempts to keep dragging down Obama and company. Here's a fucking clue - Obama's out of office, or didn't you read the papers? You're continual work at smearing someone who will never be in office again seems sadly seemly, and tawdry.

    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610
    I have never seen such a full court press on a new President. It smacks of desperation and who has more to lose from the dismantling of the Obama agenda than Obama. It would entirely atypical of him to quietly ride off into the sunset.
    You must have been sleeping the last few months of 2008 and onward.

    Quit being so patently pathetic by continually bring up newspaper accounts from 9 years ago, or so. Then we might believe you when you claim to be unbiased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    Not my problem, either. Your research always amounts to "I'm smarter than you, so just trust me". We haven't disputed a single jot? Try giving us something to dispute other than your word.

    This isn't personal to me, either. I just get sick and tired of hearing your sad, sorry attempts to keep dragging down Obama and company. Here's a fucking clue - Obama's out of office, or didn't you read the papers? You're continual work at smearing someone who will never be in office again seems sadly seemly, and tawdry.


    You must have been sleeping the last few months of 2008 and onward.

    Quit being so patently pathetic by continually bring up newspaper accounts from 9 years ago, or so. Then we might believe you when you claim to be unbiased.
    Your debate technique is to make personal attacks. Mine is to identify and document patterns and quote from liberal sources. Who's pathetic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Your debate technique is to make personal attacks. Mine is to identify and document patterns and quote from liberal sources. Who's pathetic?
    You are.

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    Witness for the prosecution of the sedition of the deep state.

    Kucinich: 'Deep State' Trying to 'Destroy The Trump Presidency' | Fox News Insider

    Former Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) said Americans must put party politics aside and acknowledge that the federal government is "under attack from within."

    Kucinich said the "deep state" within the bureaucracy is trying to "destroy Donald Trump's presidency."

    He said there is a "politicization" of intentionally nonpartisan agencies that has resulted in leaks to the press and a "threat to our republic."
    Kucinich called the damaging leaks against President Trump a "clear and present danger" to the American way of life.

    He called on the anonymous leakers to have the courage to name themselves.

    "Our first allegiance is to our country," he added. "Our country itself is under attack from within."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Witness for the prosecution of the sedition of the deep state.

    Kucinich: 'Deep State' Trying to 'Destroy The Trump Presidency' | Fox News Insider
    You do know that Kucinich is a nut job right???

    This whole "deep state" thing is just another tin foil hat conspiracy theory.

    And what a shocker - Obama had a "preoccupation" with politics. Yeah I guess he did considering he was the 44th POTUS for 8 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    You do know that Kucinich is a nut job right???

    This whole "deep state" thing is just another tin foil hat conspiracy theory.

    And what a shocker - Obama had a "preoccupation" with politics. Yeah I guess he did considering he was the 44th POTUS for 8 years.
    Examples from the respected magazine that endorsed him twice.

    http://www.economist.com/news/united...manager-whoops

    As Americans grouch about the bungled launch of Barack Obama’s most important domestic reform, the rest of the world is furious to learn that his National Security Agency (NSA) has tapped the phones of America’s allies such as Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and hoovered up details of their citizens’ communications. That these two things should happen at the same time is coincidence. Yet there is something that connects them.
    After the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare’s formal name) was passed in 2010 it took two years to write some of the regulations required to make the system work. These delays were partly caused by political paranoia about what would happen if too many details became public during the 2012 election campaign
    If one part of the federal government cannot design and run a big computer system, how is another able to collect records of millions of conversations had by citizens of friendly countries and even snoop on their politicians?
    The president does not seem to be a good manager
    Looking forward to how you claim that The Economist is written by tin foil hatted reporters.
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    [QUOTE=kmiller1610;5247892]Examples from the respected magazine that endorsed him twice.

    http://www.economist.com/news/united...manager-whoops








    Looking forward to how you claim that The Economist is written by tin foil hatted reporters.[/QUOTE


    The article was about the roll out of the national ACA exchange. I don't believe anyone has claimed that was a stellar accomplishment. but at least it didn't strip 24 million of their healthcare like the Republican Plan. So poor management, or uncaring fuckery, pick one.
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    An example of how the Russian meddling may have been seen as an opportunity by the Dems.

    Jeh Johnson testifies DNC rejected DHS help on hack, Russia meddling did not alter ballots | Fox News

    Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified Wednesday that the Democratic National Committee last year turned down his agency's offer to help protect its network despite being warned about a hack. Johnson, who served in the Obama administration from December 2013 to January 2017, said his concerns about a cyberattack against the U.S. election systems intensified last summer. He added that he and his counterparts “sounded the alarm but that the press and voters were focused on a lot of other things” during the election season.

    In August, he said he “floated the idea” of designating the country’s election infrastructure as critical – which would allow election officials to get cybersecurity help. Johnson testified that multiple secretaries of states turned down his offer and viewed any aid as the federal government trying to Big Brother the election.

    Johnson also confirmed he went to the Democratic National Committee about a hack in their system but was told that the DNC “did not feel it needed” DHS assistance.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeh-john...-live-updates/
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Witness for the prosecution of the sedition of the deep state.

    Kucinich: 'Deep State' Trying to 'Destroy The Trump Presidency' | Fox News Insider
    Donald Trump is destroying his own Presidency, with an endless stream of lies, and with engaging in obstruction of justice.

    It is both sad and pathetic that you don't realize this.

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