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    Something that Donald Trump said during the campaign that still sticks with me and I think explans DJT best to me is...

    When Donald was being deposed for the Scam U lawsuits, Donald said that investors should have done their homework before investing with him.

    To me that says...If anyone was suckered, then that was on them. Buyer beware.

    The only people I feel for are all those voters that really believed him out of their desperation...that he really cared and would help them.

    There is a difference in the voters that believed Trump would help them with jobs and their communities

    ...And the voters that want Trump to fuck over aliens and Muslims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    LOL that he's evolving. They said the same thing after he addressed Congress and that didn't last long.

    70 year old men don't change on a dime.

    Let's say he does become more "establishment" - that goes against everything his core base wanted.
    Well to be honest, his campaign was more entertainment than reality. He said things to get people to come and get excited. Remember they didnt take him literally. The reality is very different now that he is president. I suppose its possible if Bannon goes and he could find someone better than Spicer and Conway, at least the optics would be better for him. But for now he is using these isolated missile strikes as a way to get higher approval numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    The problem is his base will always vote for him whether they agree with him or not. They may be not pleased but he will still have their vote. As I mentioned above, its interesting to see the establishment GOP coming on board. One of my coworkers said Mitt Romney was on tv earlier today claiming that Trump is now coming into reality and learning so he could definitely see him working with the Presdent if he decides to run for Orrin Hatch's seat in Utah. That's a big change. I am wondering if the GOP isn't "normalizing" him now.
    Some of his base will...but not all...not the ones who wanted him to stay a Nationlist.


    Trump campaigned as an ardent and unapologetic nationalist. He railed against international and regional institutions and said America needed to stop spending money overseas and start taking care of business at home. He told us Assad was not the problem and Putin was a guy with whom he could do business.

    But in less than a week Trump has morphed into a guy who could almost be mistaken for a conventional Republican president. Trump appeared in the White House's East room yesterday and gave remarks that could've come from the mouth of George H.W. Bush.

    https://www.axios.com/trumps-global-...357986991.html

    Of course the GOP is trying to "normalize" him when it come to foreign policy - because they like what they see in that regard.

    Domestic issues - remains to be seen.
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    He is fake bombing them back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    typical media. find a set of people who will give the narrative you are looking for to produce a story/headline.
    The problem for Trump and you is that ...its not that hard to find those disappointed voters.

    I doubt whether it is a manufactured story or worse than reported...it doesn't matter either way to you.
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    Donald Trump Is Morphing Into Jeb Bush Right Before Our Eyes

    LOL...RedState
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Steve Kornacki on MSNBC is discussing this right now with Andrew Card. Card said he was "terrified" of a Trump presidency but now more comfortable with him now that he is evolving.
    yeah, I caught part of that myself. Card was engaging in some serious spin. I think he's hoping that Trump will turn out to be a president more to his liking. I can understand how Republican's would be delighted to seem him start walking and talking more like them. It's always the case that a president will get into office and realize they aren't going to be able to keep their campaign promises. But, in Trump's case, it was clear he was just saying what ever he thought would get the most adulation from the crowd. As a politician I'm sure Card can relate to telling people what they want to hear. So it's all good for him. Let's not forget that he was part of the so-called "White House Iraq Group". Which purpose was to mislead the American people about the purpose of invading Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Well to be honest, his campaign was more entertainment than reality. He said things to get people to come and get excited. Remember they didnt take him literally. The reality is very different now that he is president. I suppose its possible if Bannon goes and he could find someone better than Spicer and Conway, at least the optics would be better for him. But for now he is using these isolated missile strikes as a way to get higher approval numbers.
    If Bannon goes - those those Nationalists who voted for MM will abandon him in a heartbeat.

    And if he changes his mind on this - lots of people (and not just his supporters) are NOT going to be happy..


    Listening to his campaign rhetoric, the last thing you would expect Donald Trump to do as president would be to escalate a ground war in the Middle East. He won the Republican nomination last year by campaigning against both George W. Bush's war in Iraq and Barack Obama's war in Libya.

    But as Trump's young presidency has shown, many of the candidate's foreign policy positions are not as firmly held as his supporters had hoped. It's not just that Trump struck the Syrian regime after last week's chemical weapons attack on rebels outside of Damascus. It's not just his recent reversals on Chinese currency manipulation and the NATO alliance. The president's biggest foreign policy surprise may be yet to come.

    Senior White House and administration officials tell me Trump's national security adviser, General H.R. McMaster, has been quietly pressing his colleagues to question the underlying assumptions of a draft war plan against the Islamic State that would maintain only a light U.S. ground troop presence in Syria. McMaster's critics inside the administration say he wants to send tens of thousands of ground troops to the Euphrates River Valley. His supporters insist he is only trying to facilitate a better interagency process to develop Trump's new strategy to defeat the self-described caliphate that controls territory in Iraq and Syria.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...aren-t-so-sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    yeah, I caught part of that myself. Card was engaging in some serious spin. I think he's hoping that Trump will turn out to be a president more to his liking. I can understand how Republican's would be delighted to seem him start walking and talking more like them. It's always the case that president get into office and realize they aren't going to be able to keep their campaign promises. But, in Trump's case, it was clear he was just saying what ever he thought would get the most adulation from the crowd. As a politician I'm sure Card can relate to telling people what they want to hear. So it's all good for him. Let's not forget that he was part of the so-called "White House Iraq Group". Which purpose was to mislead the American people about the purpose of invading Iraq.
    That's just it, the hawks are loving this. They think it makes him presidential and willing to listen to his administration and the generals. I guess they figured he was just going to sit and bark orders at everyone. But now with all these generals, they love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    If Bannon goes - those those Nationalists who voted for MM will abandon him in a heartbeat.

    And if he changes his mind on this - lots of people (and not just his supporters) are NOT going to be happy..


    Listening to his campaign rhetoric, the last thing you would expect Donald Trump to do as president would be to escalate a ground war in the Middle East. He won the Republican nomination last year by campaigning against both George W. Bush's war in Iraq and Barack Obama's war in Libya.

    But as Trump's young presidency has shown, many of the candidate's foreign policy positions are not as firmly held as his supporters had hoped. It's not just that Trump struck the Syrian regime after last week's chemical weapons attack on rebels outside of Damascus. It's not just his recent reversals on Chinese currency manipulation and the NATO alliance. The president's biggest foreign policy surprise may be yet to come.

    Senior White House and administration officials tell me Trump's national security adviser, General H.R. McMaster, has been quietly pressing his colleagues to question the underlying assumptions of a draft war plan against the Islamic State that would maintain only a light U.S. ground troop presence in Syria. McMaster's critics inside the administration say he wants to send tens of thousands of ground troops to the Euphrates River Valley. His supporters insist he is only trying to facilitate a better interagency process to develop Trump's new strategy to defeat the self-described caliphate that controls territory in Iraq and Syria.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...aren-t-so-sure
    But abandon him and go where? That's the question. Its quite possible he could switch out the few of those base supporters for establishment ones that didn't like him previously. So it could be a wash.

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