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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    You don't have any idea what knowledge and evidence the government has. With something as serious as this they're going to make sure they have all the Is dotted and Ts crossed before they make any announcements of what they know or make any arrests or indict anyone.
    you on the left and the media have said repeatedly that russia and the trump campaign colluded to steal the election.

    i've been waiting on what that SPECIFIC collusion was.

    i haven't seen it.
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    MAYBE COMEY SHOULD RECUSE HIMSELF GIVEN THE NEW INFORMATION COMING TO LIGHT.

    You think Comey will come out and say he and his staff were very careless in not taking the proper precautions to stop election meddling in the face of credible evidence from foreign intelligence?

    DIRECT FROM THE LINK CITED BELOW:

    The person described US intelligence as being “very late to the game”. The FBI’s director, James Comey, altered his position after the election and Trump’s victory, becoming “more affirmative” and with a “higher level of concern”.

    Comey’s apparent shift may have followed a mid-October decision by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa) court to approve a secret surveillance order. The order gave permission for the Department of Justice to investigate two banks suspected of being part of the Kremlin’s undercover influence operation.

    According to the BBC, the justice department’s request came after a tipoff from an intelligence agency in one of the Baltic states. This is believed to be Estonia.

    The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that the same order covered Carter Page, one of Trump’s associates. It allowed the FBI and the justice department to monitor Page’s communications. Page, a former foreign policy aide, was suspected of being an agent of influence working for Russia, the paper said, citing US officials.

    The application covered contacts Page allegedly had in 2013 with a Russian foreign intelligence agent, and other undisclosed meetings with Russian operatives, the Post said. Page denies wrongdoing and complained of “unjustified, politically motivated government surveillance”.

    Late last year Comey threw more FBI resources into what became a far-reaching counter-intelligence investigation. In March he confirmed before the House intelligence committee that the agency was examining possible cooperation between Moscow and members of the Trump campaign to sway the US election.

    Comey and the NSA director, Admiral Michael Rogers, said there was no basis for the president’s claim that he was a victim of Obama “wiretapping”. Trump had likened the unproved allegation to “McCarthyism”.

    Britain’s MI6 spy agency played a part in intelligence sharing with the US, one source said. MI6 declined to comment. Its former chief Sir Richard Dearlove described Trump’s wiretapping claim on Thursday as “simply deeply embarrassing for Trump and the administration”.


    “The only possible explanation is that Trump started tweeting without understanding how the NSA-GCHQ relationship actually works,” Dearlove told Prospect magazine.

    A GCHQ spokesperson said: “It is longstanding policy that we do not comment on intelligence matters”.

    It is unclear which individuals were picked up by British surveillance.

    In a report last month the New York Times, citing three US intelligence officials, said warning signs had been building throughout last summer but were far from clear. As WikiLeaks published emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee, US agencies began picking up conversations in which Russians were discussing contacts with Trump associates, the paper said.

    European allies were supplying information about people close to Trump meeting with Russians in Britain, the Netherlands and in other countries,
    the Times said.

    There are now multiple investigations going on in Washington into Trump campaign officials and Russia. They include the FBI-led counter-espionage investigation and probes by both the House and Senate intelligence committees.

    Adam Schiff, the senior Democrat on the House committee, has expressed an interest in hearing from Christopher Steele, the former MI6 officer whose dossier accuses the president of long-term cooperation with Vladimir Putin’s Moscow. Trump and Putin have both dismissed the dossier as fake.

    One source suggested the official investigation was making progress. “They now have specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion,” the source said. “This is between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.”


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...m-links-russia
    Since he lied about there being no Survalence on Trump Staff.. It appears Trump Caught the obama Administartion in a lie. Then Farkas let the Cat out of the Bag that the obama administration shared CLASSIFIED documents with the Hillary Campaign..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    You don't seem to understand how this works. Foreign Intelligence Agencies go to American Intelligence Agencies with concerns. It's not suppose to be the President Of the United States to tell American Agencies what to do with the intel; that's the job of the Directors that the Congress have confirmed to be in their position and do the right thing for their country AND not do what is politically advantageous for the Administration in power.

    IT WAS COMEY'S JOB AND HE FAILED. PRESIDENT OBAMA ONLY KNOWS WHAT THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TOLD HIM. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT COMEY TOLD OBAMA ANYTHING PRIOR TO THE CIA DIRECTOR GOING TO CONGRESS AND SENATE INTEL AGENCIES TO BRIEF THEM ON WHAT WAS GOING ON. THE CIA DIRECTOR WAS CONCERNED THAT COMEY HAD DONE BASICALLY SHIT WITH THE INTEL THAT THEY WERE GIVEN.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    HELLO mtm1963, anybody of any substance behind your post? The CIA tells the FBI what they know is going on under their nose with US citizens. They passed the intel they get to the FBI when it concerns the US and they don't have authority over it.
    The FBI director is supposed to take it from there. Are you pretending to be ignorant or are you just ignorant?
    i guess your posts have no substance.

    you evidently don't realize the CIA, NSA and other intel agencies don't share everything with the FBI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Since he lied about there being no Survalence on Trump Staff.. It appears Trump Caught the obama Administartion in a lie. Then Farkas let the Cat out of the Bag that the obama administration shared CLASSIFIED documents with the Hillary Campaign..
    Trump said that Obama had Trump wire tapped. Nothing like that happened. It turns out that as a part of routine surveillance of foreign entities, some of Trump's people were incidentally caught up in that surveillance. Because it happened repeatedly, Susan Rice, while going through the info collected during those surveillances, asked who those people were that kept popping up. You're having a hard time keeping up, aren't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    you on the left and the media have said repeatedly that russia and the trump campaign colluded to steal the election.

    i've been waiting on what that SPECIFIC collusion was.

    i haven't seen it.
    Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told.

    GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

    Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

    The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

    Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...m-links-russia

    The whole world is just making it all up and only the US alt-right knows what's really going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Since he lied about there being no Survalence on Trump Staff.. It appears Trump Caught the obama Administartion in a lie. Then Farkas let the Cat out of the Bag that the obama administration shared CLASSIFIED documents with the Hillary Campaign..
    TNVolunteer, your response was just a complete lie. You seem to be breaking the 9th commandment over and over again. HYPOCRITE
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    i guess your posts have no substance.

    you evidently don't realize the CIA, NSA and other intel agencies don't share everything with the FBI.
    The United States Intelligence Community contains 17 active partners. Only the "Big Five" (+1) actually gather intelligence. The rest of just participate in the refining and distribution of passive intelligence (stuff they see in their daily activities) or are permitted to join by the nature of their given industry. So while the Department of Energy (OICI) has an intelligence interest (it maintains the nuclear stockpile; develops new nukes) and the Department of State (BIR) has an intelligence interest (the State department manages the US's foreign affairs with other nations), those offices are less about "espionage" than about ensuring that that:
    Any passive intelligence that is gathered by staff is percolated up to the full Intelligence Community.
    Refine intelligence based on the specific needs of its department (that is, Energy or State will have different needs, so its officers refine the information to suit the needs of their mission).
    Manage any coordination for counter-intelligence to prevent critical secrets from leaking within that department.

    Big Five + 1 are the key players in gathering, refining intelligence:

    CIA - civilian intelligence + covert ops
    NSA - signals intelligence, cryptology, cyber warfare
    NRO - designs and operates all spy satellites
    NGA - geospatial intelligence modeling + total geospatial predictive modeling
    DIA - defense and military intelligence + blackops
    FBI - non-intelligence, but critical law enforcement and counter intelligence.

    All US intelligence falls under the Director of National Intelligence who has full executive authority to unify intelligence activities and create a common strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...m-links-russia

    The whole world is just making it all up and only the US alt-right knows what's really going on.
    show me where specifically the trump people asked the russians for help in defeating clinton.

    trump wasn't the nominee in 2015.

    the media has been in the hammer down mode on trump because they despise him as he does them.

    in the famous words of that wendy's lady "where's the beef?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    show me where specifically the trump people asked the russians for help in defeating clinton.

    trump wasn't the nominee in 2015.

    the media has been in the hammer down mode on trump because they despise him as he does them.

    in the famous words of that wendy's lady "where's the beef?"
    The length the #TrumpCult will go to protect the slinger of alternative facts is funny. We've gone from we-know-what-Obama-REALLY-means to a demand for a video footage standard.

    #Hypocrites
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    show me where specifically the trump people asked the russians for help in defeating clinton.

    trump wasn't the nominee in 2015.

    the media has been in the hammer down mode on trump because they despise him as he does them.

    in the famous words of that wendy's lady "where's the beef?"
    I believe that is the job of the investigators in the FBI and the reason two investigations are going on in the HOUSE. When its over we will see who gets charged with what.

    Right now your burying your head in the sand about Flynn, Manafort, Page, and Kushner. Were they or were they not members of Trump's campaign? Is there or isn't there some major irregularities about what they said and what they did?(remember they all denied meeting Russians with three of them filing paper work not disclosing the info).

    Lets see were the beef is at the end of the investigation but it sure smells like its all on the grill now!
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