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    https://www.c-span.org/video/?427034...foreign-policy

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    the globe is a huge place. There were a lot of areas where russia can do something in a meaningful way. Without making a public announcement in such a way that the american leadership know who had done it. This is one of those instances where the Russians could try to war. I think on the former assistant secretary of state for arms control. I wanted to ask more about the issue of sanctions in russia. They were first imposed relative to the events in ukraine and remain in effect today. First of all, it has been kind of interesting to me, as an observer, how the political dynamic is changed. A year or two ago the european union was going to the semiannual exercise of renewing ancient and anytime they were up for renewal, it was about the italians going soft, the french having second thoughts, the germans backing down. The secretary of state would go over there, undertake diplomatic campaigns to get the europeans greater back down. Since trump has taken office, it's completely reversed. Angela merkel, theresa may, trying to give the u.s. back on. It's just been interesting to watch, there is obviously some bluffing going on on one or both sides of this issue. The comment was made that the state of russian positions on sanctions is not open for negotiation. If we want to recognize the mistake, don't accept our surrender on the issue. I'm wondering -- that position makes sense, as the russians generally think of the u.s. is going to retreat on sanctions. The russians may have believed but it's hard to imagine that they continue to believe it today. They are not paying close attention to u.s. politics if they do. They want to take away the president's authority to unilaterally lift sanctions. I think if that came to a vote it would probably pass by majority. President trump's flexibility to give that away is very limited, if nonexistent at this point. I guess my question is -- to what extent are the russians really troubled about the continuation of sanctions? To what extent do they really want to get rid of these? And does it remain a problem for them? What do you think the real bottom line is? Are they prepared on ukraine? Are they decided about the benefits that they have gotten? The first thing i would say is i don't think the impact of the sanctions in the short term is so onerous that it really compels the russian government to to look for ways to try to get out from under -- government to look for ways to try to get out from under the sanctions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    Trump is permeating your very being. You're starting to dream up conspiracies just like he does. Some things just are. Not everything is an onion to peel back. Ya know. I'm beginning to question Trump's claim of citizenship. I'd like to see his birth certificate. I think he's a Russian born spy and was given his current ID to infiltrate our govt. That would explain all the connections with Putin etc.
    Obama, Rhodes and Rice have teamed up before. It's not imaginary. Rhodes and Rice have functioned as propagandists to enforce political messaging.

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    Neither of those three are President. And to bring this stuff up is pure misdirection. Every time you post about these non-issues you are promulgating propaganda yourself. How can the right not see that every time the heat about Russia gets red hot, comes a tweet or an accusation of wrongdoing to change the direction of the ongoing investigations. It's been effective because they have folks like you willing to first, buy all that shit, and second, sell it on social media.

    And that media having such a short attention span, we get sidetracked again and again. But we will get the final answers sooner or later and I think you won't like it.

    And, if you care about America, all these side issues will fade into obscurity because of the overwhelming implications of the Trump gang acting in concert with Putin's gang to affect our elections.


    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Obama, Rhodes and Rice have teamed up before. It's not imaginary. Rhodes and Rice have functioned as propagandists to enforce political messaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    Neither of those three are President. And to bring this stuff up is pure misdirection. Every time you post about these non-issues you are promulgating propaganda yourself. How can the right not see that every time the heat about Russia gets red hot, comes a tweet or an accusation of wrongdoing to change the direction of the ongoing investigations. It's been effective because they have folks like you willing to first, buy all that shit, and second, sell it on social media.

    And that media having such a short attention span, we get sidetracked again and again. But we will get the final answers sooner or later and I think you won't like it.

    And, if you care about America, all these side issues will fade into obscurity because of the overwhelming implications of the Trump gang acting in concert with Putin's gang to affect our elections.
    Obama was President during the first year of the investigation. The genesis of the investigation is part of the investigation. It's not a side issue. If you read the 911 commission report (which I did) the report spends quite a lot of time on the genesis of the attacks. If they don't look at the unmasking of Flynn and the distribution of unmasked names, they won't be doing a thorough job. The propaganda of Rhodes and Rice and who pulled their strings is part of the story. Do you honestly think that the story of Russia messing with our election starts with Trump? The Public intelligence committee meeting with the three experts went back decades to describe the pattern of soviet interventions. Do you think they should start with only the contacts between Trump's people and Soviet officials?

    https://9-11commission.gov/report/

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    9 months and found nothing!
    So you are in on what the Intelligence agencies know?

    Keep in mind how long it took them to investigate Benghazi and Hillary emails. That is the case where they found nothing.

    The Russian investigation is on going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    So you are in on what the Intelligence agencies know?

    Keep in mind how long it took them to investigate Benghazi and Hillary emails. That is the case where they found nothing.

    The Russian investigation is on going.
    They found proof that the Obama admin knew it was not a spontaneous protest that led to the attack. That's not nothing and it it might parallel this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    They found proof that the Obama admin knew it was not a spontaneous protest that led to the attack. That's not nothing and it it might parallel this matter.
    What specific evidence do you have that they knew it wasn't a spontaneous protest, please? And don't offer that damn Fox News video again. Offer a succinct and short explanation.

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