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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Clearly nobody wants to play.

    Although I will never understand what folks get out of "staying on message."

    Who do you think cares?
    You are the one who used "Russian investigation" in your title. That investigation doesn't have anything to do with leaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    My theory is...


    if a videotape of Trump promising Putin, in person, that he'd lift the sanctions if Putin helped get him elected....came out? Clear and incontroverible evidence of collusion?


    kmiller would STILL try to come up with a way to tell us "Who are you going to believe....me or your lying eyes?"

    I'm not sure how he would respond but I'm sure he would find a way to stick Obama and/or Benghazi in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    You are the one who used "Russian investigation" in your title. That investigation doesn't have anything to do with leaks.
    So the question is "if the unmasking of Flynn being leaked to the press was an indication of the progress of the investigation, should those who did the leaking be expected to leak any new findings that support what they want to see happen and if there are no fresh revelations, what should we draw from that?"

    In other words, what is your theory of the leaks or the lack of leaks?

    Perhaps by re-framing the question, someone might take a stab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    The investigation isn't concerned with leaking anything, it's investigating ties between any trump surrogates and the russians.

    Since after the unmasking that was 100% legal that information must be turned over to the whitehouse and they say some 20-40 people there would then know. If you really give a shit about the leak that is where you should start looking because it did not come from Rice. Comey knows that and so does anyone who isn't a repubublican partisan dipshit.
    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    So the question is "if the unmasking of Flynn being leaked to the press was an indication of the progress of the investigation, should those who did the leaking be expected to leak any new findings that support what they want to see happen and if there are no fresh revelations, what should we draw from that?"

    In other words, what is your theory of the leaks or the lack of leaks?

    Perhaps by re-framing the question, someone might take a stab.
    I will answer that. The leaks do not mean diddly squat.

    What matters are the facts. The facts are ,Flynn and several others collaborated and met,took money from the Russians.

    It is clear now that Russia actually had a power point presentation to meddle in the 2016 election to help elect Trump.

    As a good American citizen who cares about their country you need to quit acting as if the leaks matter and start being concerned about the harm Russia has inflicted on out Democracy. That,is what you need to be concerned about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I will answer that. The leaks do not mean diddly squat.

    What matters are the facts. The facts are ,Flynn and several others collaborated and met,took money from the Russians.

    It is clear now that Russia actually had a power point presentation to meddle in the 2016 election to help elect Trump.

    As a good American citizen who cares about their country you need to quit acting as if the leaks matter and start being concerned about the harm Russia has inflicted on out Democracy. That,is what you need to be concerned about.
    Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents | Reuters

    A Russian government think tank controlled by Vladimir Putin developed a plan to swing the 2016 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump and undermine voters’ faith in the American electoral system, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters.

    They described two confidential documents from the think tank as providing the framework and rationale for what U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded was an intensive effort by Russia to interfere with the Nov. 8 election.
    FBI investigations into Russian interference have so far produced no public evidence that Trump associates colluded with the Russian effort to change the outcome of the election.

    Four of the officials said the approach outlined in the June strategy paper was a broadening of an effort the Putin administration launched in March 2016. That month the Kremlin instructed state-backed media outlets, including international platforms Russia Today and Sputnik news agency, to start producing positive reports on Trump’s quest for the U.S. presidency, the officials said
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    So, according to you, where did Trump's actions enter into Putin's plan? How did he influence, guide, aide or support this effort? How did he collude? Obama knew of the plan as early as Trump may have and had the official responsibility to deal with it. Why didn't he stop it? Is Obama's ineffectiveness in stopping this plan evidence of something?

    If Putin was helping Trump to get elected and both Trump and Obama suspected this, who has the greater responsibility to deal with it?
    Last edited by kmiller1610; 20th April 2017 at 01:25 AM.

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