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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    But honestly isn't that what they wanted and voted for? I mean if people say they are voting for someone without any political experience AT ALL for president, what should we expect? It isn't like this is running for a local council seat or first time mayor where things can be overlooked. This is the highest office in the land and being a "boob" or making mistakes on a daily basis is to be expected. Its precisely the reason people vote for outsiders.
    Some did. But honesty I think what put him over was spite. People were sick of "liberal elites." So we all have to suffer a douchebag. And the biggest problem is NOT his lack of experience, but rather his lack of intellectual curiosity and humility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I'm surprised to see liberals here speaking for conservatives. There is enough "Trump is a wining....." enough already.

    The same for republicans who cannot accept that Trump is screwing the pooch.

    A specific question was asked in the OP. Is it really that hard to understand?

    Most notably, if I honk out a long list of things that Trump has done to himself, I'm not generally interrupted as I would have normally been. To be clear, I voted for Trump and I have never been shy about pointing out his missteps.
    I can't say I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    Some did. But honesty I think what put him over was spite. People were sick of "liberal elites." So we all have to suffer a douchebag. And the biggest problem is NOT his lack of experience, but rather his lack of intellectual curiosity and humility.
    Some people were sick of "liberal elites"...which is ludicrous considering that Dubya's family is practically fucking royalty and comes flush with paperwork from Harvard and Yale...but never mind all that...he speaks with a real Amurkin accent, so he's okay....

    Some people were sick of "liberal elites" but other people bought into the legitimate shit, the criticism of the selloff going on in D.C., the unchecked power of Wall Street and the banks, the control that the .01% have over our government and the fact that most politicians shake their heads and laugh that off as if it's nothing of note. The middle class is getting crushed economically and all we've had for answers so far are half-hearted efforts at healthcare reform, a toothless Dodd bill that does nothing real to curb the power of Wall Street, or even to slow its recklessness or its incursions into the rest of the economy, endless horseshit about illegal immigrants...a bunch of bullshit that ultimately changes nothing and all while we are supposed to ignore the 900-lb gorilla in the room. The top tax rate was cut in half in 1980 and then it dropped some more. Corporate tax welfare and shell games enable only the very biggest players to pay no (or even negative) taxes. The housing bubble lingers in that the cost of housing was enormously inflated during that run and the prices are still there...people are immobilized because they cannot sell for much less than they paid, and they cannot pay the insane prices that were created during that bubble. Honestly, if you live in one of your more populous areas with a lot of industry and such, a house is going to cost you $300,000. But people's salaries haven't really changed since that same house was $200,000, so where is that supposed to come from? It comes from my ass, is where it comes from. And my kids' college savings, their inheritance in the longer haul, and the survival of the middle class itself, ultimately.

    People have heard something about these things, and they have an emotional understanding of what is happening, but most people have not sorted things out and figured out what's really going on. Americans voted like an animal caught in a painful trap, thrashing around just hoping something would break loose. For that, I blame American voters, but also politicians who are both educated enough and in a position from which they ought to be able to decry and put barriers up to corruption. Instead they've acted like a bunch of gangsters, that Senator from the Godfather. We're all in this together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    ... And you're a hypocrite.
    Subject line : "Signs of softening of Trump support"

    Correct?

    Okay, has your support of Trump softened? Yes or No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Just like believing bulls hit IN SPITE OF the piles of evidence to the contrary...
    Michael Flynn

    Paul Manafort

    Carter Page

    Roger Stone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    Some did. But honesty I think what put him over was spite. People were sick of "liberal elites." So we all have to suffer a douchebag. And the biggest problem is NOT his lack of experience, but rather his lack of intellectual curiosity and humility.
    Well Joe Biden had worried about that back in the summer of 2016 when he was going around the country. Said the democratic party was getting the reputation of being limousine liberals outside of the coasts. Said it worried him.

    "Biden took care not to criticize Clinton directly but scolded his party for acting like a bunch of "limousine liberals" who offer solutions without taking time to listen and learn about problems."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fe3de291279d
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Some people were sick of "liberal elites"...which is ludicrous considering that Dubya's family is practically fucking royalty and comes flush with paperwork from Harvard and Yale...but never mind all that...he speaks with a real Amurkin accent, so he's okay....

    Some people were sick of "liberal elites" but other people bought into the legitimate shit, the criticism of the selloff going on in D.C., the unchecked power of Wall Street and the banks, the control that the .01% have over our government and the fact that most politicians shake their heads and laugh that off as if it's nothing of note. The middle class is getting crushed economically and all we've had for answers so far are half-hearted efforts at healthcare reform, a toothless Dodd bill that does nothing real to curb the power of Wall Street, or even to slow its recklessness or its incursions into the rest of the economy, endless horseshit about illegal immigrants...a bunch of bullshit that ultimately changes nothing and all while we are supposed to ignore the 900-lb gorilla in the room. The top tax rate was cut in half in 1980 and then it dropped some more. Corporate tax welfare and shell games enable only the very biggest players to pay no (or even negative) taxes. The housing bubble lingers in that the cost of housing was enormously inflated during that run and the prices are still there...people are immobilized because they cannot sell for much less than they paid, and they cannot pay the insane prices that were created during that bubble. Honestly, if you live in one of your more populous areas with a lot of industry and such, a house is going to cost you $300,000. But people's salaries haven't really changed since that same house was $200,000, so where is that supposed to come from? It comes from my ass, is where it comes from. And my kids' college savings, their inheritance in the longer haul, and the survival of the middle class itself, ultimately.

    People have heard something about these things, and they have an emotional understanding of what is happening, but most people have not sorted things out and figured out what's really going on. Americans voted like an animal caught in a painful trap, thrashing around just hoping something would break loose. For that, I blame American voters, but also politicians who are both educated enough and in a position from which they ought to be able to decry and put barriers up to corruption. Instead they've acted like a bunch of gangsters, that Senator from the Godfather. We're all in this together.
    Which is also why Bernie did as well as he did. He went into opioid addicted towns and talked to them. He also went to the factories and mills and donned hair nets to speak to them. Saw him and Tulsi Gabbard a while ago and they were saying they hope democrats will be able to bring these people back in after so many called them "uneducated" and "dumb." Gabbard felt they were just misled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Gabbard felt they were just misled.
    bajisima, do you believe folks on the RIGHT were "misled by Trump"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Subject line : "Signs of softening of Trump support"

    Correct?

    Okay, has your support of Trump softened? Yes or No?
    The question was not addressed to the reader, rather it asked if support for Trump had softened in general. This was verified by later comments. I pointed this out in order to correct you. Not only that, I answered this question already, even though the OP was not asking for my personal opinion.

    By you asking the same question that I have already answered, I can only conclude that you are, once again, being dishonest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    Yeah.
    In the words of one of your crew member buddies, BUT OUT. Wasn't talking to you, you're a waste of time.
    Last edited by Puzzling Evidence; 19th May 2017 at 10:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Stop right there. Clinton didn't say "everything is awesome". Both said "we need to fix this country". Clinton had extensive plans for doing so. She just didn't campaign on them well. Trump's ideas were superficial and in the months since he was elected he hasn't fleshed them out.

    Trump is a one man clusterfuck. All it takes is a ten-minute conversation with someone like a Chinese leader and his support collapses for yet another set of campaign promises. 18 days worth of work on a healthcare law and he's ready to sign anything, even something which is 180 degrees opposite of what he promised to the economically disenfranchised people who voted for him.

    He's singularly ignorant. I at least thought he would show some type of good business sense, and he's devoid even of that.


    Trump is embarrassing himself even more every day. It has to be exhausting for his supporters.
    I'm sorry that you fell victim to her lies... come just didn't indict her because he obviously read his suicide note on her server.

    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Michael Flynn

    Paul Manafort

    Carter Page

    Roger Stone
    The worst crime among the group :
    - made appearances on RT, and didn't disclose it because it was seen as irrelevant.

    Anyway, let's pretend your delusions represent reality... you've got a Russian agent for president. So, Russians want to bring jobs to the US, secure your border, and enforce American laws over sharia law. If that's what Russia wants, why does Russia have more interest in benefitting your own country than theirs?

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