Thread: Show me the best arguments for progressivism please.

Originally Posted by nic

Yeah, I know, Bernie didn't get any votes....lol

Not the majority.

Most people do not agree with his ideals.

Which shows you are wrong.

Originally Posted by Spookycolt

Liberals are not capable of structured debates.

Yeah. Conservatives are are just the bestest.

Originally Posted by Babba

Yeah. Conservatives are are just the bestest.

Well, his and many other right wingers of debates is one or two line deflections. Yeah, of course liberals don't do that, they are busy really debating with facts, logic and reasoning

No need to search as it is in your own leanings. Identity politics is for those who latch onto talking points and support any outrage their party openly runs on. Progressive liberal is that small percentage that has never had the power much as fundamental Christians are on the fringe. Most people live in the middle and lean left or right or both ways depending on the issue. As a lifetime classic moderate liberal it can be summed up by fiscal conservative/social liberal (FCSL) concepts that one either strongly believes in or doesn't. You can't be a social liberal and silently sit back or reinforce suffering in others. It is just not possible. You can't back sending Dreamers to Mexico when they were raised in America and often can't even speak Spanish. You can't allow racism or any ism. Finally it is impossible to buy into shrinking and diminishing our country in the global arena to the point we are an Island. The candidate I vote for in any election is the opposite and party doesn't matter as the most socially liberal candidate gets my vote. In the past Republican Orrin Hatch pushed the Dreamer Act. President Bush also pushed for it. Most Democratic candidates consistently stand for those principles so there you go...you know the answer in each election if you focus on the issues and not on the candidate selling impossible wet dreams. Only you know if you want America to constrict and go backwards and become a crueler version of the American Dream. Only you know if we should hand over the Statue of Liberty to Canada who has currently earned the right to display her words.

Originally Posted by Spookycolt

That's a very partisan response to a very complicated discussion.

From a policy standpoint Trump has been anything but exciting, he hasn't done much of anything. The left's bitching and moaning about Trumps escapades is nothing but window dressing that doesn't matter one iota to anything from a historical perspective.

And we are no closer to a nuclear war than we ever have been, that is just more partisan BS.

As for identity politics that never surfaced for most of Bush's presidency, it was overridden by the war. Once that turned south you began to see the left embrace identity politics to demonstrate their hate for Bush, that's when the democratic party embraced that methodology and expanded it and that's where the democrats are now.

Not a thing new about identity politics. Look at our history.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

The progressive religion...

Progressivism is a political ideology, not a religion.

Originally Posted by Spookycolt

Liberals are not capable of structured debates.

Nor are conservatives, were we to judge by PH.

Originally Posted by kmiller1610

If you honestly think that the voting public is attracted to complex arguments, you have a more optimistic view of human nature than I do. Arguments based on debating points that are judged by a sophisticated jury have very little to do with how elections happen. It is the simplistic and emotionally appealing arguments that get people elected. This is why a rational, even handed proposal that is based in numbers usually goes nowhere. So, the forced compassion vs national pride poles will continue.

I am deeply sorry that you found my arguments 'complex'.

Maybe if you tried reading them more slowly??

Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73

Cut Taxes on the Rich Raise taxes on the middle Class

Yes. Yes, that's what Trump wants to do.

The question is: WHY are you in favor of it?

Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73

Nope Trump Reagan and Bush LOWERED taxes across the board..

Trump lowered taxes across the board?? WHEN did THAT happen??? You would think that would have been in the NEWS!!