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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Chipps View Post
    Why does our healthcare have to revolve around profit making insurance companies?
    Because so many Americans are currently employed by our private sector healthcare insurance industry. That, and the fact that many of our congressional representatives rely upon these businesses to finance their election campaigns.

    Shouldn't be too hard to understand why a politician wouldn't want to put thousands of their constituents out of work -- even if it is for the greater good of the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Chipps View Post
    Again, no one gets it. Or more likely, no one want's to get it.

    Why does our healthcare have to revolve around profit making insurance companies?

    Subsidizing insurance payments is spending money on private companies overhead. This is not putting our money into healthcare. That is one reason we pay much more than the rest of the world for less coverage.
    The REASON, is that we have allowed the Insurance Companies to inject themselves between patient and provider.

    Originally, Healthcare Insurance was only for "emergencies," like Cancer, a horrible, accident, etc.

    Health maintenance, most prescriptions, etc., were paid for by the consumer, but, once Insurance, AND GOVERNMENT injected themselves, it all went off the rails.

    The problem now, is that we have a choice between "Greedy Insurance" or "Greedy Government."

    At least...PRIVATE Insurance Companies can be sued, and held to task (Often by Government), so, they tend to be much more effcient.

    There is no such counter-balance to Government, and face it: Government loses, misplaces and, I honestly believe, skims some off the top, for themselves......
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    Is the compromise... if Republicans give on increasing subsidies to cover rate increases...and Democrats will later agree to major measures in tax reform.

    Republicans wan't something big...Bigger than repeal of ACA. They just haven't revealed what that is ...or I can't see it yet.

    What do Republicans want more that tax reform? Keeping power in Congress and WH? No impeachment votes? More SC appointments? Backing on social issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Is the compromise... if Republicans give on increasing subsidies to cover rate increases...and Democrats will later agree to major measures in tax reform.

    Republicans wan't something big...Bigger than repeal of ACA. They just haven't revealed what that is ...or I can't see it yet.

    What do Republicans want more that tax reform? Keeping power in Congress and WH? No impeachment votes? More SC appointments? Backing on social issues?
    Republicans want what they've always wanted. They want to eliminate not only PPACA, but also Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. They haven't really kept this secret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    The REASON, is that we have allowed the Insurance Companies to inject themselves between patient and provider.

    Originally, Healthcare Insurance was only for "emergencies," like Cancer, a horrible, accident, etc.

    Health maintenance, most prescriptions, etc., were paid for by the consumer, but, once Insurance, AND GOVERNMENT injected themselves, it all went off the rails.

    The problem now, is that we have a choice between "Greedy Insurance" or "Greedy Government."

    At least...PRIVATE Insurance Companies can be sued, and held to task (Often by Government), so, they tend to be much more effcient.

    There is no such counter-balance to Government, and face it: Government loses, misplaces and, I honestly believe, skims some off the top, for themselves......
    The problem is we're too stupid to see the example set by the rest of the industrial world. 'Cause... cause...that would be ...tyranny or socialism or nazism ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Chipps View Post
    Again, no one gets it. Or more likely, no one want's to get it.

    Why does our healthcare have to revolve around profit making insurance companies?

    Subsidizing insurance payments is spending money on private companies overhead. This is not putting our money into healthcare. That is one reason we pay much more than the rest of the world for less coverage.
    Healthcare revolves around profit making insurance companies because the lobby has too many of our elected reps in their pockets. The only thing we decide as voters is which one they will bankroll!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Republicans want what they've always wanted. They want to eliminate not only PPACA, but also Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. They haven't really kept this secret.
    I think you are being a bit "general" here, as I do NOT believe that all Republicans want to remove these things. Certainly not the ones called "RINO's."

    Obamacare: Well, they have CAMPAIGNED on it. And, when they knew there was a Veto at the end of the process, they VOTED for it. But, once they could actually DO the deal....they balked.

    Medicare and Medicaid: Some run on the repeal of those two. Most use them as examples of how Government Entitlements grow into monsters. But, these institutions have taken hold, and I doubt they will be going anywhere, as long as we have the current form of Government. Would be nice to get in and REFORM each.

    Social Security: The closest thing to "removing" Social Security was Bush's idea of trying to privatize some of it. He was voted down, booed, and called names, about all of it, so, he let it drop. Right after that we had the recession, which showed what COULD have happened if everyone had their "retirement" in Wall Street: Wall Street would have lost it, instead of Washington, losing it, by spending it on other stuff......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Chipps View Post
    Again, no one gets it. Or more likely, no one want's to get it.

    Why does our healthcare have to revolve around profit making insurance companies?

    Subsidizing insurance payments is spending money on private companies overhead. This is not putting our money into healthcare. That is one reason we pay much more than the rest of the world for less coverage.
    Which is why I don't get some who say "the ACA is the first step to single payer." Since when is giving the insurers a bigger piece of the pie going to drive them out of business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Because so many Americans are currently employed by our private sector healthcare insurance industry. That, and the fact that many of our congressional representatives rely upon these businesses to finance their election campaigns.

    Shouldn't be too hard to understand why a politician wouldn't want to put thousands of their constituents out of work -- even if it is for the greater good of the nation.
    That was what Joe Lieberman said. Too many in Connecticut would lose their jobs if we went to single payer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Are putting forth a plan to fix the Health Care crisis.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/04/o...re-reform.html.

    You will see an ad,and continue on.
    I can see right off the bat that if it is ALMOST split between Conservatives and Liberals it won't work. That's the reason why Republicans have not been able to enact workable healthcare legislation because they want to work by themselves in this without Democratic support and they also want to always maintain a majority. No! It can't work that way if they're truly serious about fixing healthcare! They have to be humble and split EVENLY both political parties in this venture in order to make it work.

    If Republicans proceed to maintain an edge over Democrats it is never going to work and they might as well get on with something else and forget about trying to produce a Trumpcare bill. After all, what has survived this far and this long? OBAMACARE, that's what! And millions of Americans are crying out that they don't want it dismantled for a Republican version. Time for the GOP to start listening to those who put them in office, swallow their pride and give them just what they want!

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