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    Problem Solver Caucus.

    Are putting forth a plan to fix the Health Care crisis.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/04/o...re-reform.html.

    You will see an ad,and continue on.
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    Not bad ideas, bi-partisanship is the only long term answer to our growing healthcare crisis.
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    Unfortunately....it amounts to 43 members. Don't know if they are all or mostly "centrists," or, just LEGISLATORS, willing to, you know.....legislate......

    Doubt it will come to much, as the rest of their colleagues are far more interested in getting re-elected.

    I could not get to your link, but, I heard two gents talking about this caucus the other night. I truly appreciate the fact that the two sides are doing the unthinkable (working together!), but....one of the guys kept saying "We have 43 members, evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans..."

    Now, it doesn't really matter, but I kept thinking: "Do these freaks just lie our of habit, or....are they honestly that damned bad with numbers???"

    Based on their, ahem, "budgeting prowess," I am inclined to think the latter.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Unfortunately....it amounts to 43 members. Don't know if they are all or mostly "centrists," or, just LEGISLATORS, willing to, you know.....legislate......

    Doubt it will come to much, as the rest of their colleagues are far more interested in getting re-elected.

    I could not get to your link, but, I heard two gents talking about this caucus the other night. I truly appreciate the fact that the two sides are doing the unthinkable (working together!), but....one of the guys kept saying "We have 43 members, evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans..."

    Now, it doesn't really matter, but I kept thinking: "Do these freaks just lie our of habit, or....are they honestly that damned bad with numbers???"

    Based on their, ahem, "budgeting prowess," I am inclined to think the latter.......
    It looks like they are trying, I will give them props for that much.

    Health care is one of those problems — and a textbook example of why we formed the Problem Solvers Caucus this year. We all knew the partisanship in Washington had gotten out of control and felt the need to create a bipartisan group committed to getting to “yes” on important issues. We have agreed to vote together for any policy proposal that garners the support of 75 percent of the entire Problem Solvers Caucus, as well as 51 percent of both the Democrats and Republicans in the caucus.
    There are a lot of issues where 20 or so votes from the opposing side can make the difference. 20 Democrats passes healthcare, tax reform, immigration reform and a lot of other issues that Republicans want passed. Of course the problem is that Democrats want a voice in the legislation to go along with their votes. Trumpcare could have gotten Democratic support if they would have met two objections, no tax cuts for billionaires and no cuts to Medicaid. But Republicans were not interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    It looks like they are trying, I will give them props for that much.



    There are a lot of issues where 20 or so votes from the opposing side can make the difference. 20 Democrats passes healthcare, tax reform, immigration reform and a lot of other issues that Republicans want passed. Of course the problem is that Democrats want a voice in the legislation to go along with their votes. Trumpcare could have gotten Democratic support if they would have met two objections, no tax cuts for billionaires and no cuts to Medicaid. But Republicans were not interested.
    Joining one of these bipartisan groups is helpful to the image of politicians -- especially if they are in purple districts. That said, it's unlikely that they will accomplish any legislative goals. I recall Marco Rubio joining the bipartisan "Gang of Eight" Senators that crafted comprehensive immigration reform legislation. Then he voted against the proposal that they offered.

    All in all, meh.

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    The problem is adhering to what I know to be nothing more than "campaign rhetoric."

    For SIX years, the GOP has been running on "REPEAL!"

    Last year, Trump, ran on "REPEAL and REPLACE!"

    What they should have done, last February, is start backing off those lines, and start working WITH Democrat input, to alter things. (Many of the more "harsh" things, can be done with a stroke of a pen, as Obama set precedent for, and, Trump has rushed to adopt!)

    There would be some angry voters, who bought in to "Repeal and Replace," but....those voters are pretty freaking angry now, after a "nothing and nothing, but talk about it" policy.

    Plus, some of the more unpopular things about Obamacare, are pretty important. As much as I DESPISE the idea of the Individual Mandate, it is pretty neccessary from a mathematical position. (That, or, do not treat people with "pre-existing" conditions.....)

    The GOP could have kept that in there (and still blame Democrats for it!), while working together on other aspects.

    But, I do not think EITHER party really wants a resolution to this issue, as it has become a partisan football. So, elites from BOTH sides, see it as a valuable tool for re-election.

    And, isn't that what is REALLY important?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Are putting forth a plan to fix the Health Care crisis.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/04/o...re-reform.html.

    You will see an ad,and continue on.
    Reminds me of the "Gang of Eight", maybe, here's to hoping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    The problem is adhering to what I know to be nothing more than "campaign rhetoric."

    For SIX years, the GOP has been running on "REPEAL!"

    Last year, Trump, ran on "REPEAL and REPLACE!"

    What they should have done, last February, is start backing off those lines, and start working WITH Democrat input, to alter things. (Many of the more "harsh" things, can be done with a stroke of a pen, as Obama set precedent for, and, Trump has rushed to adopt!)

    There would be some angry voters, who bought in to "Repeal and Replace," but....those voters are pretty freaking angry now, after a "nothing and nothing, but talk about it" policy.

    Plus, some of the more unpopular things about Obamacare, are pretty important. As much as I DESPISE the idea of the Individual Mandate, it is pretty neccessary from a mathematical position. (That, or, do not treat people with "pre-existing" conditions.....)

    The GOP could have kept that in there (and still blame Democrats for it!), while working together on other aspects.

    But, I do not think EITHER party really wants a resolution to this issue, as it has become a partisan football. So, elites from BOTH sides, see it as a valuable tool for re-election.

    And, isn't that what is REALLY important?
    I've seen no indication that the Democrats are opposed to making incremental improvements to PPACA. Neither have I seen any indication that Republicans are interested in doing anything beyond repealing the legislation and going back to the status quo that existed prior to it's passage. The only viable solution, therefore, is for the Democrats to regain control of Congress.

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    I've seen no indication that the Democrats are opposed to making incremental improvements to PPACA.
    --I would never expect you to, but, you are probably correct. In fact, Chuck Schumer MAY have said that he was willing. But, we will never really know, as it did not even get that far....

    Neither have I seen any indication that Republicans are interested in doing anything beyond repealing the legislation and going back to the status quo that existed prior to it's passage.
    --That is what they have campaigned on. I have no idea if that is what they want or not. But, they probably do NOT want to work on the foundation of what is already there.

    The only viable solution, therefore, is for the Democrats to regain control of Congress.
    --That is your opinion. Many agree with you. I, and many others, do not.

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    Again, no one gets it. Or more likely, no one want's to get it.

    Why does our healthcare have to revolve around profit making insurance companies?

    Subsidizing insurance payments is spending money on private companies overhead. This is not putting our money into healthcare. That is one reason we pay much more than the rest of the world for less coverage.
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