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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Soooo...we go to war? Do we ask the UN/NATO for help? Or do we just go to war, and tell everyone else, "Get the fuck on board, or get outa the fuckin way,"?
    Depends on what happens. If we just roll through and bomb missile sites like Japan wants, then it might not be full blown war. "Get on board or else" is pretty typical for the US isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Soooo...we go to war? Do we ask the UN/NATO for help? Or do we just go to war, and tell everyone else, "Get the fuck on board, or get outa the fuckin way,"?
    I bet you guys know what I'll say... but yes, I'd say him taking a shot at us means war, whether he misses or not. Absolutely I would call on any treaty that's relevant. I would expect NATO and South Korea to join. I'd invite China to ally with us for this self defense war too. Why not give them the chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Really? Yesterday Russia flew a military plane over Washington DC and Trump's property.
    That flight was approved under a long-standing global treaty. So what is your point? Are you saying that Russia was attacking us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Really? Yesterday Russia flew a military plane over Washington DC and Trump's property.
    They have been doing that each year since 2002.

    "Far from a surprise though, the Russian Air Force Tupolev Tu-154 overflight is agreed thanks to a mutual arrangement which Russia, the U.S. and a handful of other militaries are part of. The agreement, called the Treaty on Open Skies, ensures 34 states have an equal right to periodically fly unarmed surveillance aircraft above one another's territories."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Okay, so two things have happened in the last couple of days, L'il Kim has threatened to bomb Guam, and Lord Dampnuts has promised "fire and fury", like the world has never known - not necessairily in that order.

    So, here's my question. Let us say that we detect a North Korean missile launched in the general direction of Guam. Let us further imagine that said missile falls rather short, and drops relatively harmlessly into the sea. So. Do we just assume this was another of L'il Kim's missile tests, or do we assume that it was L'il Kim attempting to follow through on his threat, and failing? And, if we assume the latter, what do we do about it? I mean, we don't have a lot of historical precedence for a failed attack on the US, or one of its territories.

    Take Pearl Harbour, for instance. Had the attack from Japan been a miserable failure, would we have still entered into WW II? I'm not being sarcastic, here. This really is a plausible suggestion of things to come. So, if L'il Kim attempts to attack us, and fails, what would our likely response be?
    Sabre rattling on Kim's part and politics on Trump's part. This is, so far, great theater. I just can't work up any passion on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Really? Yesterday Russia flew a military plane over Washington DC and Trump's property.
    Yes, and its part of a treaty with them. They do it with US airmen on board their planes observing. We do the same thing over Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I don't think Clinton, Bush, or Obama would go to war. They would turn to the UN and NATO.
    That hasn't worked for 3 administrations. He still has nukes and is threatening us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    They have been doing that each year since 2002.

    "Far from a surprise though, the Russian Air Force Tupolev Tu-154 overflight is agreed thanks to a mutual arrangement which Russia, the U.S. and a handful of other militaries are part of. The agreement, called the Treaty on Open Skies, ensures 34 states have an equal right to periodically fly unarmed surveillance aircraft above one another's territories."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies
    That's very interesting. I wasn't aware of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    No one has been that bold. This would be a test. If North Korea were to do it with no consequences, who would try it next?
    true that.. but yet, WHAT would be the consequences ?

    A military response onto NK's territory, will only put South Korea in harms way.. that can neither be the goal, nor anything that can be justified. There lies the dilemma.. so if you want to protect South Korea from military aggression, one can only appeal to the UN, sanctions etc.

    Just that NK has not ever responded in a positive way to such steadily expanded sanctions.

    IDK. The only alternative would be one massive strike against NK, before they can even reach to their weapons against South Korea. Don't even want to think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Do we wait for the missile to miss? The missile will have a flight time of 14 minutes.
    That's always been the dilemma particularly in S Korea. How long do we wait to see if he is "just kidding" or its real? Millions of lives are on the line in S Korea.

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