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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Yes, and its part of a treaty with them. They do it with US airmen on board their planes observing. We do the same thing over Russia.
    This too? Russian spy ship Viktor Leonov off US coast near Georgia Navy submarine base - CBS News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Yes it has. He will always threaten. Always has and always will. In the past the global conclusion was this is how he demands attention and tries to force negotiations. They ignored him. It worked.

    Note how things have changed now that Trump changed that policy. Now it is dangerous because the two crazy leaders are taking each other on.
    It really has not worked... over all those admins NK has both helped Pakistan to complete their nuclear program and made advancements on its own. Ignoring him has been a disaster. Maybe he wants us to be all worked up over his saber rattling as a distraction to his weapon development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Really? You really think we could do that, and NK would respond with escalation?
    If we could get countries on board and maybe just a warning from China its possible. He could be all bluster. Plus lets not forget, he has threatened Russia and they wouldn't hesitate to roll in over them. China wouldn't stop Russia. It really is a fast paced game of strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    true that.. but yet, WHAT would be the consequences ?

    A military response onto NK's territory, will only put South Korea in harms way.. that can neither be the goal, nor anything that can be justified. There lies the dilemma.. so if you want to protect South Korea from military aggression, one can only appeal to the UN, sanctions etc.

    Just that NK has not ever responded in a positive way to such steadily expanded sanctions.

    IDK. The only alternative would be one massive strike against NK, before they can even reach to their weapons against South Korea. Don't even want to think about it.
    It isn't N. Korea we need to worry about. Keep watching China because that is the real war Trump may drag us into: China says U.S. destroyer in South China Sea violated its security

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    CHINA: China says U.S. destroyer in South China Sea violated its security

    That is the real danger in this game Trump is playing.

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    Not sure on this, but...with all of our radar, infrared, and other methods we probably know nothing about.....I believe that scientists, mathematicians, or the like, might be able to actually discern if any such missile "malfunctioned" or, went as per it's intended trajectory....

    IF it were carrying a Nuclear Payload, we could probably figure that out, also, after it "missed," (We would know if it hit!)

    Same with Chemical toxins, but biological toxins could be destroyed if it hit the ocean.

    Whatever the case, these are different times, than the 1940's.

    For one, we do know that Fat Kim has nukes. So, no matter what (unless the dumb freak were to launch ALL of them, at once....), we are limited in how we respond.

    Guam goes up in a Mushroom cloud?

    --I think the whole north Korean Penninsula becomes an irradiated wasteland. Special forces dig Fat Kim and whatever of his slugs who survive, out of their bunkers at a later date.....

    They shoot a "blank" at Guam, over Japanese Air Space?

    --Japan raises hell. America raises hell. South Korea raises hell. CHINA gets a bit more....forceful. (The LAST thing the Chinese want....is for the US to put MORE forces in the region. Especially, Naval, Air, and Anti-missile batteries....)

    Pretty much, all other scenarios fall between one of the two above....

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    This sort of stuff happens ALL the time.

    Part of the open seas.

    Chinese and Russian vessels have often slipped inside our territorial waters.

    And, the airforces of all three nations have flown into, and over, each other's "Air" space......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Not sure on this, but...with all of our radar, infrared, and other methods we probably know nothing about.....I believe that scientists, mathematicians, or the like, might be able to actually discern if any such missile "malfunctioned" or, went as per it's intended trajectory....

    IF it were carrying a Nuclear Payload, we could probably figure that out, also, after it "missed," (We would know if it hit!)

    Same with Chemical toxins, but biological toxins could be destroyed if it hit the ocean.

    Whatever the case, these are different times, than the 1940's.

    For one, we do know that Fat Kim has nukes. So, no matter what (unless the dumb freak were to launch ALL of them, at once....), we are limited in how we respond.

    Guam goes up in a Mushroom cloud?

    --I think the whole north Korean Penninsula becomes an irradiated wasteland. Special forces dig Fat Kim and whatever of his slugs who survive, out of their bunkers at a later date.....

    They shoot a "blank" at Guam, over Japanese Air Space?

    --Japan raises hell. America raises hell. South Korea raises hell. CHINA gets a bit more....forceful. (The LAST thing the Chinese want....is for the US to put MORE forces in the region. Especially, Naval, Air, and Anti-missile batteries....)

    Pretty much, all other scenarios fall between one of the two above....
    So, you don't think anything short of an actual hit on Guam would result in military escalation? I'm not mocking your response. I'm seriously looking for clarification of your position. Like I said, with L'il Kim, and Orange Cheeto actually engaging in an increasingly bellicose rap battle, this is something I am actually concerned over. When the Thugga culture engages in this, it usually ends up with either Biggy, or Tupac shot in the face.
    Last edited by Czernobog; 10th August 2017 at 01:31 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Yes it has. He will always threaten. Always has and always will. In the past the global conclusion was this is how he demands attention and tries to force negotiations. They ignored him. It worked.

    Note how things have changed now that Trump changed that policy. Now it is dangerous because the two crazy leaders are taking each other on.
    He had no way of reaching mainland US until now, so all previous administrations turned blue in the face trying to talk and sanction him. He continued. Now its extremely serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    It really has not worked... over all those admins NK has both helped Pakistan to complete their nuclear program and made advancements on its own. Ignoring him has been a disaster. Maybe he wants us to be all worked up over his saber rattling as a distraction to his weapon development.
    It has worked until now. The global community has limitations and one of those limitations is not being able to stop any country from having nuclear programs that are not impacted by global economic sanctions. N. Korea is a classic example of that formula. Until now however, N. Korea used it as a tool for trade and lifting sanctions.

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