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    My lord, this stuff never stops coming to us Californians. I believe that conservatives are so vested in hating California that they will believe anything just so they can justify their hatred for free, open, liberal, healthy, fun loving, hard working, rich, poor and middle class Californians. We are not breaking up, we are not a hell hole, we are not leaving in droves and we are certainly not ever going to go bankrupt. Our economy is around 3 trillion a year. One billion is mice nuts compared to that yearly GDP. We also could care less what the rest of the nation thinks about us, we love our state and culture and know that deep down this is really just a form of jealousy or envy mixed in with tribal politics. Get a grip, we are having a ball even though we have to endure red state lunacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Not sure why the left still believes this crap.

    Its not booming, its in a financial crisis.

    Americans are deserting it in droves while they suck up more illegals.

    Its turning into a third world nation.
    The left believes it because it is fact

    That's a claim worth exploring. Look at California, which is one-eighth of the U.S. population with 39 million people and one-seventh of the nation's gross domestic product of $2.3 trillion. Far from being a mess, California's economy is bigger than ever, rivaling the U.K. as No. 5 in the world, when figures for 2016 are officially tabulated.
    California is the chief reason America is the only developed economy to achieve record GDP growth since the financial crisis of 2008 and ensuing global recession, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Much of the U.S. growth can be traced to California laws promoting clean energy, government accountability and protections for undocumented people. Governor Jerry Brown, now in his fourth term, considers immigrants a major reason for the state's success: "39 percent of us are Latino and the majority are from Mexico," he said in a March 2 interview in his Sacramento office.
    California's borrowing cost is 0.15 percentage points lower than the average for states and municipalities and has declined to just 0.24 percentage points more than the U.S. pays on its debt, down from 1.97 percentage points in 2013.

    At the same time, bonds sold by California's municipalities produced a total return of 2.3 percent since November, outperforming the benchmark for the U.S., according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The growing popularity of bonds sold by California issuers is a consequence of the state's more rigorous regulation of the market, specifically legislation signed by Brown last year, creating greater transparency and accountability for issuers of California debt.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...way-from-trump

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    California?s economy outstrips other states? ? including Texas ? Orange County Register

    On Friday, the United States recorded its 80th consecutive month of job growth, which is the longest streak on record and has pushed the unemployment rate to 4.3 percent from 10 percent in the depths of the recession. After a long and painful recovery, the nation is nearing full employment — and California has played an outsize role.

    Over the last five years, California has outperformed the nation in just about every important economic metric. Yes, the state is big, accounting for about 12 percent of the nation’s population. But its share of economic growth has been even bigger.

    California accounted for 17 percent of job growth in the United States from 2012 to 2016, and a quarter of the growth in gross domestic product.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/05/u...s-economy.html


    California economy growing faster than national average
    California?s economy grew faster in 2016 than all but a few other states | The Sacramento Bee

    These days, though, no one is talking about the lessons California should learn from Texas. California’s economy is improving, and its budget is finally balanced—partly because of budget cuts and a voter-approved tax hike in 2012, and partly because the stock-market boom has translated into more tax receipts from California’s wealthiest residents (the ones with those high income-tax rates). These changes happen to come as Texas, the nation’s biggest oil-producing state by far, is grappling with a collapse in oil prices, which has depressed the price of a barrel of West Texas Intermediate crude oil to under fifty dollars a barrel for the first time in more than five years.
    How California Bested Texas | The New Yorker

    See the bold, who would have though, tax hikes and budget cuts will improve deficits. Unlike tax cuts republicans always push (look at Kansas).
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Stupid idea and unconstitutional.
    True but I do think Trump has scared a few of them and they could vote yes.

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    We shall see.

    California still has some freaking INCREDIBLE ports (Ports = $$$$, regardless of how it is spent!)

    California also has some incredible Agricultural regions, Napa valley, in particular (I just LIKE wine, don't know shit about it, but...I have heard that the Napa Valley is one of the most perfect regions in the WORLD for growing Wine Grapes....)

    If things get bad enough, the people will make a change.

    Even if that "change" is them LEAVING.

    But...as per my point about the PORTS, above....there will ALWAYS be jobs and $$ around that specific industry.

    NISSAN can move their North American HQ to Tennessee, but....any automobiles produced in Japan (or along the Pacific Rim...), will be imported through West Coast Ports.

    Seattle is a MONSTER port, but, it can't handle everything that comes through.....

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    "One in every three California residents supports the most populous U.S. state's peaceful withdrawal from the union, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll, many of them Democrats strongly opposed to Trump's ascension to the country's highest office. The 32 percent support rate is sharply higher than the last time the poll asked Californians about secession, in 2014, when one-in-five or 20 percent favored it around the time Scotland held its independence referendum and voted to remain in the United Kingdom. "

    More Californians dreaming of a country without Trump: poll | Reuters

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    what with this fixation right-wingers have with California?

    Worry about your own fucking states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    True but I do think Trump has scared a few of them and they could vote yes.
    Would not matter - it's unconstitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Would not matter - it's unconstitutional.
    it's another one of the polls most people in Calfornia never heard about. Kinda like the ones that were showing Sanders was going will California in a landslide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Hence my reference to South and Central America with a small upper class and the rest of the nation making up various semi-permanent underclasses. A nation without a vibrant, powerful, middle class the results are generally not to be envied.
    LOL. Don't let us get in the way of your fantasies because I doubt anyone here is unaware of your preferred demographic.
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