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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Aren't some trying to secede or break into 2? Didn't I read they might get on the ballot next year?
    The Tea Party has morphed into the State of Jefferson folks. They had about 150 show up at a local meeting last week. I believe they were expecting about 10 times that. Oh well next time they will give out free eats and raffle off a free month of garbage service and dump fees. That should draw them in.

    BTW the meeting was held in the headquarters city of the SOJ movement. It's funny.... they are easy to can spot in town because for some reason they just love flying that Stars and Bars.
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    Define poor in California. They earn the 5th highest wages on average. The issue is the cost of living is as high as the very high wages...mainly in real estate. You can't call them poor under any circumstances as wages are more than all other states except 4 other states which I am sure includes New York:

    "The average salary is about $51,910, or an average hourly pay of $24.96. That covers 14,038,950 workers."

    https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramen...nnual-pay.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Define poor in California. They make the most money. More than most states. The issue is the cost of living is as high as the very high wages...mainly in real estate. You can't call them poor under any circumstances as wages are more than all other states except 4 other states which I am sure includes New York:

    "The average salary is about $51,910, or an average hourly pay of $24.96. That covers 14,038,950 workers. Although not a state, the District of Columbia has the highest average annual salary at $74,540. The typical worker earns 36 percent more in the district than in any of the 50 states"

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    Well the one thing I will say is the cost of housing in most of CA is out of control. Brown is proposing a bond measure to be vote on in 2018 aimed at getting regulatory changes to make it easier to build housing. We do have the most regulations in terms of building homes. That needs to change if we want to keep attracting the best but they can't afford to live in the state.
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    I live in Norcal, and it is fucking awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Well the one thing I will say is the cost of housing in most of CA is out of control. Brown is proposing a bond measure to be vote on in 2018 aimed at getting regulatory changes to make it easier to build housing. We do have the most regulations in terms of building homes. That needs to change if we want to keep attracting the best but they can't afford to live in the state.
    I think it's finding the land with nearby sources of water that's becoming the problem. There's just too many people. All the good farmland is being paved over. California farmland produces more per acre than that of any other state in the union and it's rapidly dwindling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
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    This sounds suspiciously like much of South and Central America for a number of reasons. Either way the Democratic Party's vision of this country's future doesn't much appeal to me.

    What do you guys think? I'd love to hear from you.
    It does not much appeal to me either. It seems like California's idea of utopia is medieval feudalism where peasants from around the globe concentrate to work in poverty for a few rich politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    I think it's finding the land with nearby sources of water that's becoming the problem. There's just too many people.
    Could be - but the regulations on new housing permits are onerous as well.

    There was an article in my local paper yesterday about a 75 townhomes that are being proposed one town over from me. Residents in nearby homes are having a fit - because NIMBY. That's a problem too. I mean it's great and all that you got a home in the area you wanted too, but now you don't want others to have the same? The developer even changes the plans so there would be more than 50 feet between the townhomes and existing homes (like 1/3 of a football field) and that still wasn't good enough...sigh..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    It does not much appeal to me either. It seems like California's idea of utopia is medieval feudalism where peasants from around the globe concentrate to work in poverty for a few rich politicians.
    You spend too much time playing internet games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Could be - but the regulations on new housing permits are onerous as well.

    There was an article in my local paper yesterday about a 75 townhomes that are being proposed one town over from me. Residents in nearby homes are having a fit - because NIMBY. That's a problem too. I mean it's great and all that you got a home in the area you wanted too, but now you don't want others to have the same? The developer even changes the plans so there would be more than 50 feet between the townhomes and existing homes (like 1/3 of a football field) and that still wasn't good enough...sigh..
    It still involves devoting more land to freeways with every subdivision built. What happened to the theory that the internet would let a substantial part of the workforce, work from their homes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    It does not much appeal to me either. It seems like California's idea of utopia is medieval feudalism where peasants from around the globe concentrate to work in poverty for a few rich politicians.
    pretty sure, everyone's idea of utopia in California is different. Mine is living in a town where everyone is so friggin friendly it's amazing, being able to head out to the beach on a whim, having am awesome govenor, great weather, great food, great culture, great entertainment......etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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