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    More democrat lies

    State of California Debt Clock

    So baby killing stops pregnancy?
    Debt, and deficit are not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Is that also true for spontaneous abortions? If so, we'd expect the cancer rate to be much higher than it is, and if not, why not?

    Miscarriage is the most common complication of early pregnancy. Among females who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is roughly 10% to 20% while rates among all fertilisation is around 30% to 50%. About 5% of females have two miscarriages in a row. Wikipedia
    No it is not, That is how the Planned Parenthood funded study lowered the "Abortion" related cancer rate by not separtating the spontaneous vs Surgical Abortion statistics.

    a woman that has a surgical Abortion has a 37% greater odds developing breast and lymphatic cancer than a woman that suffers a spontaneous abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris The Animal View Post
    IOW, a convenience abortion. Parenthood is not meant for "fulfillment" in life. It does involve sacrifice, a concept brain dead Liberals cannot comprehend.
    So what's your point?

    Should sacrifice be forced on people who aren't ready, or able to make the sacrifice?

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    No it is not, That is how the Planned Parenthood funded study lowered the "Abortion" related cancer rate by not separtating the spontaneous vs Surgical Abortion statistics.

    a woman that has a surgical Abortion has a 37% greater odds developing breast and lymphatic cancer than a woman that suffers a spontaneous abortion.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    No it is not, That is how the Planned Parenthood funded study lowered the "Abortion" related cancer rate by not separtating the spontaneous vs Surgical Abortion statistics.

    a woman that has a surgical Abortion has a 37% greater odds developing breast and lymphatic cancer than a woman that suffers a spontaneous abortion.
    Not so according to research.

    Breast cancer risk is increased for a short time after a full-term pregnancy (that is, a pregnancy that results in the birth of a living child).
    Induced abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
    Spontaneous abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
    The level of scientific evidence for these findings was considered to be “well established” (the highest level).

    The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) Committee on Gynecologic Practice also reviewed the available evidence in 2003 and again in 2009. In 2009, the Committee said, “Early studies of the relationship between prior induced abortion and breast cancer risk were methodologically flawed. More rigorous recent studies demonstrate no causal relationship between induced abortion and a subsequent increase in breast cancer risk.”


    https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...ncer-risk.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Not so according to research.

    Breast cancer risk is increased for a short time after a full-term pregnancy (that is, a pregnancy that results in the birth of a living child).
    Induced abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
    Spontaneous abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
    The level of scientific evidence for these findings was considered to be “well established” (the highest level).

    The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) Committee on Gynecologic Practice also reviewed the available evidence in 2003 and again in 2009. In 2009, the Committee said, “Early studies of the relationship between prior induced abortion and breast cancer risk were methodologically flawed. More rigorous recent studies demonstrate no causal relationship between induced abortion and a subsequent increase in breast cancer risk.”


    https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...ncer-risk.html
    women that have surgical abortions have a 37% higher Rate of Breast and lymphatic cancer than women that miscarry or carry to term.

    Studies that's show induced abortions increase breast cancer in women

    FOOTNOTES:
    1. Breastcancer.org, "Risk of Developing Breast Cancer" 10/23/2015 Risk of Developing Breast Cancer | Breastcancer.org
    2. Angela Lanfranchi, M.D., FACS, and Patrick Fagan, Ph.D, "Breast Cancer and Induced Abortion: A Comprehensive Review of Breast Development and Pathophysiology, the Epidemiologic Literature, and Proposal for Creation of Databanks to Elucidate All Breast Cancer Risk Factors"*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25189012*(published here*http://bcpinstitute.org/papers/ILM_V..._No1_1-133.pdf)
    3. J. Brind et al. (1996)*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...5-0007.pdf*and Y. Huang et al. (2013)*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24272196* Brind's discussion of the Huang study is available here:*https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...-breast-cancer
    4. P. Carroll, "The Breast Cancer Epidemic: Modeling and Forecasts Based on Abortion and Other Risk Factors" Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (2007)*http://www.jpands.org/vol12no3/carroll.pdf
    7. e.g. T. Gathani et al., "Risk Factors for Breast Cancer in India: an INDOX Case-Control Study" (ongoing)**http://indox.org.uk/node/34
    8. On the exceptionally strong ABC link shown in Bangladesh, Dr. Brind notes: "Almost all women in Bangladesh get married and start having children before they are 21, and breast-feed all their children as well. Consequently, breast cancer has been almost unheard of in Bangladesh, until recently."*https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...ntinues-in-the
    9.* Lanfranchi wrote for The National Catholic Bioethics Center in 2004: "There are six criteria that epidemiologists use to determine if an association is in fact causal.
    "First, the exposure or risk must precede the disease, which [the ABC link] does in all of the studies.
    "Second, the preponderance of the studies must show an association. In the case of the ABC link, 28 out of 37 studies report an association between abortion and breast cancer.
    "Third, the studies must include statistically significant studies. There are 17 statistically significant studies.
    "Fourth, there must be a plausible biologic basis. In the case of the ABC link, if a pregnancy is terminated before 32 weeks, the woman is left with increased numbers of type 1 and 2 lobules which are most sensitive to carcinogens. ...
    "Fifth, there should be a dose effect, meaning the more you are exposed to a risk, the higher the risk. ... Melbye et al. 1997 (MMS: Error) showed that for every week you delay an abortion, the risk of breast cancer increases by 3 percent. ...
    "Sixth, there must be a relative risk of over 3.0 or a 200% increased risk. In subsets of women, the relative risk is greater than 3.0. Teenagers less than age 18 who have abortions between 9 and 24 weeks have an 800% increased risk or a relative risk of 9.0 according to the NCI commissioned study, Daling et al. 1994. (http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/86/21/1584)
    abortionbreastcancer.com
    10. Dr. Brind discussed the history of "recall bias" in a 2005 article for The National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly (312ff.). abortionbreastcancer.com Also see Lanfranchi, "Breast Cancer and Induced Abortion," 93ff. http://bcpinstitute.org/papers/ILM_V..._No1_1-133.pdf
    11. One important case in point is an important 1996 meta-analysis by Dr. Joel Brind, one of only three of such scope ever conducted on the issue, which some media attempted to dismiss based on Brind's anti-abortion views. However, a review by the U.K.'s Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in 2004 affirmed that Brind et al. was a "carefully conducted" analysis with no major methodological flaws.
    http://abtreibung.at/wp-content/uplo...ortionfull.pdf
    For more on the history of ABC link data and criticism of recent studies denying the link, see: abortionbreastcancer.com and http://www.jpands.org/vol10no4/brind.pdf
    12. "Findings Linking Cancer to Abortions a Well-Kept Secret."* Los Angeles Daily News 9/28/1997 http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FINDIN...ET.-a083942541
    13. National Cancer Institute, "Abortion, Miscarriage, and Breast Cancer Risk"* http://www.cancer.gov/types/breast/a...scarriage-risk
    14. Brind, "Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer: A Minority Report" abortionbreastcancer.com Also see "The Abortion-Breast Cancer Connection," 322ff. abortionbreastcancer.com
    15. J.R. Daling et al., "Risk of breast cancer among young women: relationship to induced abortion." Journal of the National Cancer Institute (1994) http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/86/21/1584
    16. J. Dolle et al., "Risk Factors for Triple-Negative Breast Cancer in Women Under Age 45" Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention (2009) Risk Factors for Triple-Negative Breast Cancer in Women Under the Age of 45 Years | Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention (full text)
    17. "Research studies document a compounding of breast cancer risk factors for girls and young women that underscores the duty for full and accurate informed consent." A. Patrick Schneider et al., Linacre Quarterly (2014)* http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/pdfpl...14Y.0000000027
    18. American College of Pediatricians, "Know your ABCs: the Abortion Breast Cancer Link" (April 7, 2015) Know Your ABCs: The Abortion Breast Cancer Link | American College of Pediatricians
    19. AAPS executive director Jane Orient, MD said in December 2015: "The AAPS believes that patients have the right to give or withhold fully informed consent before undergoing medical treatment. This includes notification of potential adverse effects. While there is a difference of medical opinion concerning the abortion-breast cancer link, there is a considerable volume of evidence supporting this link, which is, moreover, highly plausible. We believe that a reasonable person would want to be informed of the existence of this evidence before making her decision." (she confirmed it to me in an email since I couldn't find an official link.)
    20. See Lanfranchi, "Breast Cancer and Induced Abortion," 16f. http://bcpinstitute.org/papers/ILM_V..._No1_1-133.pdf
    21. Susan G. Komen, "Does pregnancy affect breast cancer risk and survival?" https://ww5.komen.org/KomenPerspecti...survival-.html
    22. Lanfranchi, "ABC Connection," 315 abortionbreastcancer.com
    23. V. Beral, et al. "Breast cancer and breastfeeding: collaborative reanalysis of individual data from 47 epidemiological studies in 30 countries, including 50302 women with breast cancer and 96973 women without the disease." Lancet (2002) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12133652
    24. H. Azim et al., "Prognostic Impact of Pregnancy After Breast Cancer According to Estrogen Receptor Status: A Multicenter Retrospective Study" Journal of Clinical Oncology (2012)* http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/earl....2285.abstract
    25.* J.R. Daling JR, et al. "Risk of Breast Cancer Among Young Women: Relationship to Induced Abortion," Journal of the National Cancer Institute (1994) http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/86/21/1584
    E. White et al. "Breast cancer among young U.S. women in relation to oral contraceptive use" Journal of National Cancer Institute (1994) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8133534

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Not so according to research.

    Breast cancer risk is increased for a short time after a full-term pregnancy (that is, a pregnancy that results in the birth of a living child).
    Induced abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
    Spontaneous abortion is not linked to an increase in breast cancer risk.
    The level of scientific evidence for these findings was considered to be “well established” (the highest level).

    The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) Committee on Gynecologic Practice also reviewed the available evidence in 2003 and again in 2009. In 2009, the Committee said, “Early studies of the relationship between prior induced abortion and breast cancer risk were methodologically flawed. More rigorous recent studies demonstrate no causal relationship between induced abortion and a subsequent increase in breast cancer risk.”


    https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...ncer-risk.html
    women that have surgical abortions have a 37% higher Rate of Breast and lymphatic cancer than women that miscarry or carry to term.

    Studies that's show induced abortions increase breast cancer in women

    FOOTNOTES:
    1. Breastcancer.org, "Risk of Developing Breast Cancer" 10/23/2015 Risk of Developing Breast Cancer | Breastcancer.org
    2. Angela Lanfranchi, M.D., FACS, and Patrick Fagan, Ph.D, "Breast Cancer and Induced Abortion: A Comprehensive Review of Breast Development and Pathophysiology, the Epidemiologic Literature, and Proposal for Creation of Databanks to Elucidate All Breast Cancer Risk Factors"*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25189012*(published here*http://bcpinstitute.org/papers/ILM_V..._No1_1-133.pdf)
    3. J. Brind et al. (1996)*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...5-0007.pdf*and Y. Huang et al. (2013)*http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24272196* Brind's discussion of the Huang study is available here:*https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...-breast-cancer
    4. P. Carroll, "The Breast Cancer Epidemic: Modeling and Forecasts Based on Abortion and Other Risk Factors" Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (2007)*http://www.jpands.org/vol12no3/carroll.pdf
    7. e.g. T. Gathani et al., "Risk Factors for Breast Cancer in India: an INDOX Case-Control Study" (ongoing)**http://indox.org.uk/node/34
    8. On the exceptionally strong ABC link shown in Bangladesh, Dr. Brind notes: "Almost all women in Bangladesh get married and start having children before they are 21, and breast-feed all their children as well. Consequently, breast cancer has been almost unheard of in Bangladesh, until recently."*https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...ntinues-in-the
    9.* Lanfranchi wrote for The National Catholic Bioethics Center in 2004: "There are six criteria that epidemiologists use to determine if an association is in fact causal.
    "First, the exposure or risk must precede the disease, which [the ABC link] does in all of the studies.
    "Second, the preponderance of the studies must show an association. In the case of the ABC link, 28 out of 37 studies report an association between abortion and breast cancer.
    "Third, the studies must include statistically significant studies. There are 17 statistically significant studies.
    "Fourth, there must be a plausible biologic basis. In the case of the ABC link, if a pregnancy is terminated before 32 weeks, the woman is left with increased numbers of type 1 and 2 lobules which are most sensitive to carcinogens. ...
    "Fifth, there should be a dose effect, meaning the more you are exposed to a risk, the higher the risk. ... Melbye et al. 1997 (MMS: Error) showed that for every week you delay an abortion, the risk of breast cancer increases by 3 percent. ...
    "Sixth, there must be a relative risk of over 3.0 or a 200% increased risk. In subsets of women, the relative risk is greater than 3.0. Teenagers less than age 18 who have abortions between 9 and 24 weeks have an 800% increased risk or a relative risk of 9.0 according to the NCI commissioned study, Daling et al. 1994. (http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/86/21/1584)
    abortionbreastcancer.com
    10. Dr. Brind discussed the history of "recall bias" in a 2005 article for The National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly (312ff.). abortionbreastcancer.com Also see Lanfranchi, "Breast Cancer and Induced Abortion," 93ff. http://bcpinstitute.org/papers/ILM_V..._No1_1-133.pdf
    11. One important case in point is an important 1996 meta-analysis by Dr. Joel Brind, one of only three of such scope ever conducted on the issue, which some media attempted to dismiss based on Brind's anti-abortion views. However, a review by the U.K.'s Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in 2004 affirmed that Brind et al. was a "carefully conducted" analysis with no major methodological flaws.
    http://abtreibung.at/wp-content/uplo...ortionfull.pdf
    For more on the history of ABC link data and criticism of recent studies denying the link, see: abortionbreastcancer.com and http://www.jpands.org/vol10no4/brind.pdf
    12. "Findings Linking Cancer to Abortions a Well-Kept Secret."* Los Angeles Daily News 9/28/1997 http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FINDIN...ET.-a083942541
    13. National Cancer Institute, "Abortion, Miscarriage, and Breast Cancer Risk"* http://www.cancer.gov/types/breast/a...scarriage-risk
    14. Brind, "Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer: A Minority Report" abortionbreastcancer.com Also see "The Abortion-Breast Cancer Connection," 322ff. abortionbreastcancer.com
    15. J.R. Daling et al., "Risk of breast cancer among young women: relationship to induced abortion." Journal of the National Cancer Institute (1994) http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/86/21/1584
    16. J. Dolle et al., "Risk Factors for Triple-Negative Breast Cancer in Women Under Age 45" Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention (2009) Risk Factors for Triple-Negative Breast Cancer in Women Under the Age of 45 Years | Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers & Prevention (full text)
    17. "Research studies document a compounding of breast cancer risk factors for girls and young women that underscores the duty for full and accurate informed consent." A. Patrick Schneider et al., Linacre Quarterly (2014)* http://www.maneyonline.com/doi/pdfpl...14Y.0000000027
    18. American College of Pediatricians, "Know your ABCs: the Abortion Breast Cancer Link" (April 7, 2015) Know Your ABCs: The Abortion Breast Cancer Link | American College of Pediatricians
    19. AAPS executive director Jane Orient, MD said in December 2015: "The AAPS believes that patients have the right to give or withhold fully informed consent before undergoing medical treatment. This includes notification of potential adverse effects. While there is a difference of medical opinion concerning the abortion-breast cancer link, there is a considerable volume of evidence supporting this link, which is, moreover, highly plausible. We believe that a reasonable person would want to be informed of the existence of this evidence before making her decision." (she confirmed it to me in an email since I couldn't find an official link.)
    20. See Lanfranchi, "Breast Cancer and Induced Abortion," 16f. http://bcpinstitute.org/papers/ILM_V..._No1_1-133.pdf
    21. Susan G. Komen, "Does pregnancy affect breast cancer risk and survival?" https://ww5.komen.org/KomenPerspecti...survival-.html
    22. Lanfranchi, "ABC Connection," 315 abortionbreastcancer.com
    23. V. Beral, et al. "Breast cancer and breastfeeding: collaborative reanalysis of individual data from 47 epidemiological studies in 30 countries, including 50302 women with breast cancer and 96973 women without the disease." Lancet (2002) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12133652
    24. H. Azim et al., "Prognostic Impact of Pregnancy After Breast Cancer According to Estrogen Receptor Status: A Multicenter Retrospective Study" Journal of Clinical Oncology (2012)* http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/earl....2285.abstract
    25.* J.R. Daling JR, et al. "Risk of Breast Cancer Among Young Women: Relationship to Induced Abortion," Journal of the National Cancer Institute (1994) http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/86/21/1584
    E. White et al. "Breast cancer among young U.S. women in relation to oral contraceptive use" Journal of National Cancer Institute (1994) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8133534

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Debt, and deficit are not the same.
    You are correct but

    Democrats congresses borrowed 14.2 Trillion of our 20 Trillion dollar Debt. GOP congresses borrowed 2.4 Trillion of the rest was borrowed by Divided Congresses (democrats holding one house, GOP the other House of congress).

    So GOP borrowed ~10% of our debt, Democrats borrowed 70%

    http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    1. If that is the case why is CA 43rd out of 50 states in fiscal health.
    2. so you promote abortion as birth control? (hate to tell you if a teen has an abortion they HAVE TO GET PREGNANT FIRST).

    So by banning abortion they are saving the teens from a future of greater cancer and suicide risks.
    Funny, this list says California is in 5th for economic growth.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...economy/growth

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    So what's your point?

    Should sacrifice be forced on people who aren't ready, or able to make the sacrifice?
    Hey, they choose to have sex, then face the consequences and take responsibility for the child that was conceived.

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