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    Claim : Alex jones sells "snake oil"

    I've seen some claims concerning alex jones selling snake oil (among other claims).

    Since no arguments were made, I figure we could look at a recently published buzzfeed article where they tried to make that case. Unfortunately, they wound up writing a 3 page advertising campaign in favor of alex jones.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarz...PLr#.vtQOmOLrx

    The independent test results are the work of Labdoor, a San Francisco–based lab that tests and grades dietary supplements. Labdoor ran full tests on six popular Infowars supplements to determine the exact makeup of each supplement and screen for various dangerous and illegal chemicals. It also investigated a few of the products that "claimed incredible benefits for what seemed like could just be simple ingredients."

    "We tested samples in triplicate, and wherever possible, cross-checked those results with at least two independent analytical laboratories, so we have complete trust in our conclusions," Brian Brandley, Labdoor's laboratory director, told BuzzFeed News.

    All of the test results were largely the same: The products are — more or less — accurately advertised. They don't contain significantly more or less of a particular ingredient than listed on the bottles, and there are no surprise ingredients. They're also reasonably safe, meaning they passed heavy metal contaminant screenings and tested free of stimulants, depressants, and other prohibited drugs.
    @Blues63
    remember how you did not specify an argument? Well, this is to counter one of the potential arguments you MIGHT have been trying to make but did not express.

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    Well regardless of this one, Alex Jones lost credibility a long time ago.

    He gives us real conspiracy people a bad name.

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    WTF is this thread some sort of joke? Why the fuck is it in political discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Well regardless of this one, Alex Jones lost credibility a long time ago.

    He gives us real conspiracy people a bad name.
    if you say so.... this was resulting from a discussion where I was asking people to make that case.

    This represents the closest thing to an argument that was made, and even buzzfeed trying to make the case wound up making a sales pitch in his favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I've seen some claims concerning alex jones selling snake oil (among other claims).

    Since no arguments were made, I figure we could look at a recently published buzzfeed article where they tried to make that case. Unfortunately, they wound up writing a 3 page advertising campaign in favor of alex jones.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarz...PLr#.vtQOmOLrx



    @Blues63
    remember how you did not specify an argument? Well, this is to counter one of the potential arguments you MIGHT have been trying to make but did not express.
    I don't think Jones has been accused of fraud for selling a product that isn't as advertised. He's been accused of scaring people with false threats and then selling them things that purport to protect them from those threats.

    This is a very old con. "Doctors" for centuries would do things to make "patients" worse, then offer to "treat" them...they they miraculously get better. In ancient times this was such a bad problem the Code of Hammurabi prescribes death as the punishment for doctors who can't do what they say they can.

    Frankly, the whole supplements game is a fraud. "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    WTF is this thread some sort of joke? Why the fuck is it in political discussion?
    Because this is part of the larger discussion into which information outlets are actually credible or not... if there's a more suitable location, then move it there.

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    The problem is that some people BUY the "snake oil" that Alex Jones is selling.

    Apparently he makes money of the crap that he peddles.

    If people would quit buying it, he would not be selling it for long...

    Supply and demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    The problem is that some people BUY the "snake oil" that Alex Jones is selling.

    Apparently he makes money of the crap that he peddles.

    If people would quit buying it, he would not be selling it for long...

    Supply and demand.
    Yeah more power to him for that but its people like him that set a standard for people like me who try to discuss legitimate conspiracies and are simply labeled fools out of the gate.

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    I like this article on the subject: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...e-wars/531252/

    Here's what it says about Jones's website:
    The store itself is heavily fortified with legal caveats for its health claims, like “The information contained in the Website is provided for informational purposes only, and is not meant to substitute for the advice provided by your doctor or other health care professional.”

    So to be clear: The information is for informational purposes only.

    Though even this is not quite true. The fine print actually says that the act of reading the information absolves Infowars and Alex Jones of any responsibility for conveying that information. (“By using this site for any purpose whatsoever, including reading, browsing, studying … you are agreeing to indemnify Infowars … from any claims or responsibility for anything which may result there from, and you accept sole responsibility for any legal, medical, or financial liability which may occur as a result of your usage of the pages on this site.”)



    The company is not responsible for the information, or for the act of selling products that make unsubstantiated health claims. You the reader are responsible for the act of using the page. This is the sort of setup for which consumer protection exists. Of course, Jones rants against all sorts of consumer-protection measures, entities, and ideas. He has a vested interest in it remaining that way.
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