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    Quote Originally Posted by Friday13 View Post
    [I]you try to label me a stalker.
    Not I, dear chap. If you told a tour guide you didn’t want to share a bus with 25 gay men, she might say, “Homophobe. That’s what they’ll call you, if you refuse to travel with gays.” She’s not calling you a homophobe. Just letting you know what the label will be.

    I am asking what knowledge you have to reinforce your assertions..
    Plenty.

    I know what knowledge PACE has because we have been friends for almost 20 years...so I ask, is your knowledge greater?
    A lot greater, if he thinks solar panels are “green”. They are made up of dozens of components, including all the electrical parts and pieces alone – see this page: Electrical Parts | Solar Electric Systems | Solar Panel Store

    Many of these are made up of dozens of other components. There are wires, cables, all the fasteners, and the cells, diodes, and so on etc. All the hundreds, if not thousands of individual components are made in hundreds, if not thousands of factories, and each component is made of materials mined from the earth using hundreds of large machines, all running on diesel or some other fuel, and once all these components are all put together the resulting solar panels are shipped all over the world using trains, ships, trucks and vans. That’s a huge ‘carbon footprint’. Then there’s the fact that all these solar panels are going to have to be replaced when they wear out, and the whole process repeats. That’s not “green” by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    What windows? What are you blathering about? Posters should not forget to take their meds before posting.



    If you think solar panels are ‘green’, while coal is not, you’re the one who knows nothing about science.

    You claim a foundation that is wrong, glass, and solar panels are made of silica, do I have to spell it out for you? or are you so intellectually lazy, and unable to show shame due to your ignorance?

    You claim a "theory" that is easily debunked, and for the fucking record, aluminum has a basis in natural material; bauxite,, which we have mined and developed for over a century.

    Really, you are so far in the wrong here, it's laughable.

    You know NOTHING about elemental science, so stop, because it's embarrassing.

    Really.

    And if you knew what I know about "green technology" you would have never started this thread in the first place, think 3D NAND, wall plug efficiency, and gallium arsenide; you might fucking learn something.

    And for the record @Friday13 is no troll; Friday is one of the best posters I've ever encountered, who the fuck are you???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Not I, dear chap. If you told a tour guide you didn’t want to share a bus with 25 gay men, she might say, “Homophobe. That’s what they’ll call you, if you refuse to travel with gays.” She’s not calling you a homophobe. Just letting you know what the label will be.



    Plenty.



    A lot greater, if he thinks solar panels are “green”. They are made up of dozens of components, including all the electrical parts and pieces alone – see this page: Electrical Parts | Solar Electric Systems | Solar Panel Store

    Many of these are made up of dozens of other components. There are wires, cables, all the fasteners, and the cells, diodes, and so on etc. All the hundreds, if not thousands of individual components are made in hundreds, if not thousands of factories, and each component is made of materials mined from the earth using hundreds of large machines, all running on diesel or some other fuel, and once all these components are all put together the resulting solar panels are shipped all over the world using trains, ships, trucks and vans. That’s a huge ‘carbon footprint’. Then there’s the fact that all these solar panels are going to have to be replaced when they wear out, and the whole process repeats. That’s not “green” by any means.

    Your knowledge is shit. seriously, just stop, you know absolutely nothing about what you are arguing.

    It's so dumb, it's fairly screaming "I have an a idea based on no knowledge"

    Electrical Parts????? LOL!!! see your foundation is Google shopping!

    Be gone; you know nothing about this subject.

    By the way, that screen you're looking at to read this? it's a fucking minucus lens, now go tell me how it's made, but be careful...... Google isn't always complete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    glass, and solar panels are made of silica
    Who cares? Take out the glass and concentrate on all the other components, and nothing I said above changes. You haven’t addressed the points made, and cannot deny the enormous carbon footprint that their manufacture and distribution, maintenance and replacement create. You have failed to address the fact that thousands of factories are used to manufacture all the thousands of components, which are shipped and trucked from all over the world, their delivery, their installation, their maintenance or their replacement.

    aluminum has a basis in natural material; bauxite,, which we have mined and developed for over a century.
    Which needs to be mined. Only a moron would think you can take “take” aluminum out of the ground in nice pieces ready to go on a solar panel. You need hundreds of big machines to process the bauxite, make the aluminum, transport the aluminum, cut the aluminum and shape the aluminum. It then needs to be measured, cut, drilled and packaged, ready to be sent to the place making the solar panels, where it is assembled into solar panels. Aluminum, which apparently gives some trolls a major hard on, is only ONE out of hundreds of components needed to run the solar panels – none of which you have addressed.

    As pointed out in my last reply, there are many other electrical accessories connected with this, since you need to regulate and control the solar panels, and connect them to the grid, which MOST users do in the cities. Few people have stand alone solar panels. The great majority want to let some of their electricity go back to the grid, to lower their bills. You’ve dismissed that part of the equation as a giant joke, because you have no idea what you’re talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Who cares? Take out the glass and concentrate on all the other components, and nothing I said above changes. You haven’t addressed the points made, and cannot deny the enormous carbon footprint that their manufacture and distribution, maintenance and replacement create. You have failed to address the fact that thousands of factories are used to manufacture all the thousands of components, which are shipped and trucked from all over the world, their delivery, their installation, their maintenance or their replacement.



    Which needs to be mined. Only a moron would think you can take “take” aluminum out of the ground in nice pieces ready to go on a solar panel. You need hundreds of big machines to process the bauxite, make the aluminum, transport the aluminum, cut the aluminum and shape the aluminum. It then needs to be measured, cut, drilled and packaged, ready to be sent to the place making the solar panels, where it is assembled into solar panels. Aluminum, which apparently gives some trolls a major hard on, is only ONE out of hundreds of components needed to run the solar panels – none of which you have addressed.

    As pointed out in my last reply, there are many other electrical accessories connected with this, since you need to regulate and control the solar panels, and connect them to the grid, which MOST users do in the cities. Few people have stand alone solar panels. The great majority want to let some of their electricity go back to the grid, to lower their bills. You’ve dismissed that part of the equation as a giant joke, because you have no idea what you’re talking about.
    The ENORMOUS carbon footprint is actually held by the oil and gas industry! what a ridiculous supposition you have.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-change


    Stop right there, and consider your "opinion", you know NOTHING about this industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    The ENORMOUS carbon footprint is actually held by the oil and gas industry! what a ridiculous supposition you have.
    It’s also held by the solar panel industry, as shown a number of times. That’s the point that flew over your head. But out of the two industries, (fossil fuel vs solar panels) you can only dig one out of the ground and burn it as a caveman. You can’t dig solar panels out of the ground, no matter how much praying you do to your weather gods. So out of the two, fossil fuels is much more ‘green’, to use your lingo.

    you know NOTHING
    Heh heh, so you keep bleating. You sound like Manuel from Fawlty Towers

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX7CeTXoxyU
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    It’s also held by the solar panel industry, as shown a number of times. That’s the point that flew over your head. But out of the two industries, (fossil fuel vs solar panels) you can only dig one out of the ground and burn it as a caveman. You can’t dig solar panels out of the ground, no matter how much praying you do to your weather gods. So out of the two, fossil fuels is much more ‘green’, to use your lingo.



    Heh heh, so you keep bleating. You sound like Manuel from Fawlty Towers

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX7CeTXoxyU
    Really, your argument is so ridiculous, it's embarrassing, learn something before you post. You can't "burn" Bunker C.

    What a stupid argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Greens like to say that solar panels are green, and this is a very political agenda nowadays, what with beatniks everywhere demanding we tear down power stations and start using solar and wind power.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    Coal, oil, gas and uranium are all made by nature, in a perfectly “green” way. Trees, plants, microorganisms (zooplankton, algae etc) and dinosaurs die, and are turned into coal, oil and gas. Uranium was apparently formed in supernovas about 6.6 billion years ago, long before naughty humans came along.

    So all of these fuels are very, very green. Just as green as a metallic mint green Buick Skylark convertible.


    On the other hand, if you look at solar panels, they are the very opposite of ‘naturally made’, since they are created by putting together dozens of different pieces of aluminium, steel, copper, zink, plastic, glass, rubber and who knows what else, in factories all over the place, and installed on the roofs of buildings that are themselves made up of all kinds of things made out of who knows what, made in hundreds of different factories.

    The same can be said for wind power generators. Anything but green!

    Explain that, Greenies!
    It sure is GREEN. When it STAYS IN the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Greens like to say that solar panels are green, and this is a very political agenda nowadays, what with beatniks everywhere demanding we tear down power stations and start using solar and wind power.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    Coal, oil, gas and uranium are all made by nature, in a perfectly “green” way. Trees, plants, microorganisms (zooplankton, algae etc) and dinosaurs die, and are turned into coal, oil and gas. Uranium was apparently formed in supernovas about 6.6 billion years ago, long before naughty humans came along.

    So all of these fuels are very, very green. Just as green as a metallic mint green Buick Skylark convertible.


    On the other hand, if you look at solar panels, they are the very opposite of ‘naturally made’, since they are created by putting together dozens of different pieces of aluminium, steel, copper, zink, plastic, glass, rubber and who knows what else, in factories all over the place, and installed on the roofs of buildings that are themselves made up of all kinds of things made out of who knows what, made in hundreds of different factories.

    The same can be said for wind power generators. Anything but green!

    Explain that, Greenies!
    Fossil fuels are green - as long as they're not consumed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Who cares? Take out the glass and concentrate on all the other components, and nothing I said above changes. You haven’t addressed the points made, and cannot deny the enormous carbon footprint that their manufacture and distribution, maintenance and replacement create. You have failed to address the fact that thousands of factories are used to manufacture all the thousands of components, which are shipped and trucked from all over the world, their delivery, their installation, their maintenance or their replacement.



    Which needs to be mined. Only a moron would think you can take “take” aluminum out of the ground in nice pieces ready to go on a solar panel. You need hundreds of big machines to process the bauxite, make the aluminum, transport the aluminum, cut the aluminum and shape the aluminum. It then needs to be measured, cut, drilled and packaged, ready to be sent to the place making the solar panels, where it is assembled into solar panels. Aluminum, which apparently gives some trolls a major hard on, is only ONE out of hundreds of components needed to run the solar panels – none of which you have addressed.

    As pointed out in my last reply, there are many other electrical accessories connected with this, since you need to regulate and control the solar panels, and connect them to the grid, which MOST users do in the cities. Few people have stand alone solar panels. The great majority want to let some of their electricity go back to the grid, to lower their bills. You’ve dismissed that part of the equation as a giant joke, because you have no idea what you’re talking about.
    Do you think oil is used "raw" just as it comes from the ground?

    How do you think oil gets from the place nature made it to the refinery, and then to the end user?

    Does oil turn itself into gas, and other finished products?

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