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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    Explain a made up premise that is patently ridiculous?
    There’s nothing made up about the factories and mines used to make solar panels, or the ships and trucks that transport them, or the tools used to install them. Yet you insist they’re “green”. Hah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Do you think oil is used "raw" just as it comes from the ground?
    In caveman times? Crude oil could be used on the end of clubs as torches, to fight off predators at night, and to see in the dark. It could be used for signal fires, as it was pretty smoky. A long tall plume of black smoke would be created on a windless day. Or you could use it to make a long line of fire, for when the enemy are coming. It would be a very effective barrier, with flame and black smoke, especially if the wind was blowing towards the enemy. You could use it so smoke the enemy out of caves too. You could set a trap for animals, like mammoths, by creating a line of crude oil across a plain. Once alight it could force them off a cliff. With thousands of years, cavemen probably thought of a few more uses.

    How do you think oil gets from the place nature made it to the refinery, and then to the end user?
    Cavemen didn’t have refineries.

    Does oil turn itself into gas, and other finished products?
    Cavemen didn’t have gas ovens. You need to try reading before replying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    In caveman times? Crude oil could be used on the end of clubs as torches, to fight off predators at night, and to see in the dark. It could be used for signal fires, as it was pretty smoky. A long tall plume of black smoke would be created on a windless day. Or you could use it to make a long line of fire, for when the enemy are coming. It would be a very effective barrier, with flame and black smoke, especially if the wind was blowing towards the enemy. You could use it so smoke the enemy out of caves too. You could set a trap for animals, like mammoths, by creating a line of crude oil across a plain. Once alight it could force them off a cliff. With thousands of years, cavemen probably thought of a few more uses.



    Cavemen didn’t have refineries.



    Cavemen didn’t have gas ovens. You need to try reading before replying.
    No it couldn't you understand NOTHING about elemental science, Bunker C cannot be BURNED!

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    They are also far more PORTABLE than "electrical" energy (Which is what Solar is converted to)

    However. They are ALL Finite. (And, the Black Gold....that resource does SO MUCH more than simply fuel our cars.....)





    I just wish we could get past the "Green Energy is Magic Bullet that does EVERYTHING" Vs. "Green Energy is too expensive, and will NEVER be viable" arguments.....

    But, this has now become political, so I suppose most of us are vested in one side of the other.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    The coal was not in the ground. It was an open face. The gas was not in the ground. It was leaking out. Same as the crude oil. Leaking out. Cavemen were very green, ask a hippy. Fire is as green as it gets. Ask a thunder cloud. When a caveman burned some coal it was as green as your knowledge on these matters. Certainly MUCH greener than a solar panel.
    What is your definition of green?

    Black smoke from burning fossil fuels isn't green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    And… solar panels are green even though it took a million factories to make them. Riiight…

    Lefties are such a scream.
    I don't think green has anything To do with the number of factories required to manufacture solar panels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    In caveman times? Crude oil could be used on the end of clubs as torches, to fight off predators at night, and to see in the dark. It could be used for signal fires, as it was pretty smoky. A long tall plume of black smoke would be created on a windless day. Or you could use it to make a long line of fire, for when the enemy are coming. It would be a very effective barrier, with flame and black smoke, especially if the wind was blowing towards the enemy. You could use it so smoke the enemy out of caves too. You could set a trap for animals, like mammoths, by creating a line of crude oil across a plain. Once alight it could force them off a cliff. With thousands of years, cavemen probably thought of a few more uses.



    Cavemen didn’t have refineries.

    Cavemen didn’t have gas ovens. You need to try reading before replying.
    What do cavemen have to do with solar panels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friday13 View Post
    Strange. I believe this may be the first time that I've replied to one of your worthless posts, yet you try to label me a stalker. I am asking what knowledge you have to reinforce your assertions...I know what knowledge @PACE has because we have been friends for almost 20 years...so I ask, is your knowledge greater? This is not a "personal" enquiry because I don't want to know you, just what great fount of knowledge upon which you base these opinions. Answer or don't...I really don't care.
    EVerybody just put the obvious troll (and a real shitty one) on ignore
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    I don't think green has anything To do with the number of factories required to manufacture solar panels.
    I think what Rob is trying to do is point out the TOTAL "carbon footprint" created:

    --Fossil fuels "burn" but, how much fuel is burned, how many resources extracted, and how much heat, is produced to create these Solar Panels?

    Right now, the Panels themselves are anything BUT "green."

    Many of the materials used are toxic, and environmentally harmful.

    For my part, I look at these as challenges to be met, even though, they will not be solved, overnight.

    (Starting off, I wish they would develop systems to RECYCLE the parts/materials in Solar Panels, because, if things go as I predict....in about two decades, the FIRST run of solar panels will be coming OFF buildings, to be replaced by the newer, better, cheaper, Solar Panels....)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    No it couldn't you understand NOTHING
    So you keep screeching.


    Bunker C cannot be BURNED!
    So you keep screeching. You're screeching at a Straw Man, as I haven't mentioned Bunker C. Crude oil seeps out of the ground. Crude oil burns easily, exuding black smoke. Learn something about crude oil before we all die of old age.

    Does crude oil burn

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