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    Coal, oil, gas and nuclear power MUCH greener than solar panels

    Greens like to say that solar panels are green, and this is a very political agenda nowadays, what with beatniks everywhere demanding we tear down power stations and start using solar and wind power.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    Coal, oil, gas and uranium are all made by nature, in a perfectly “green” way. Trees, plants, microorganisms (zooplankton, algae etc) and dinosaurs die, and are turned into coal, oil and gas. Uranium was apparently formed in supernovas about 6.6 billion years ago, long before naughty humans came along.

    So all of these fuels are very, very green. Just as green as a metallic mint green Buick Skylark convertible.


    On the other hand, if you look at solar panels, they are the very opposite of ‘naturally made’, since they are created by putting together dozens of different pieces of aluminium, steel, copper, zink, plastic, glass, rubber and who knows what else, in factories all over the place, and installed on the roofs of buildings that are themselves made up of all kinds of things made out of who knows what, made in hundreds of different factories.

    The same can be said for wind power generators. Anything but green!

    Explain that, Greenies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Greens like to say that solar panels are green, and this is a very political agenda nowadays, what with beatniks everywhere demanding we tear down power stations and start using solar and wind power.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    Coal, oil, gas and uranium are all made by nature, in a perfectly “green” way. Trees, plants, microorganisms (zooplankton, algae etc) and dinosaurs die, and are turned into coal, oil and gas. Uranium was apparently formed in supernovas about 6.6 billion years ago, long before naughty humans came along.

    So all of these fuels are very, very green. Just as green as a metallic mint green Buick Skylark convertible.


    On the other hand, if you look at solar panels, they are the very opposite of ‘naturally made’, since they are created by putting together dozens of different pieces of aluminium, steel, copper, zink, plastic, glass, rubber and who knows what else, in factories all over the place, and installed on the roofs of buildings that are themselves made up of all kinds of things made out of who knows what, made in hundreds of different factories.

    The same can be said for wind power generators. Anything but green!

    Explain that, Greenies!
    Kinda wrong here, zinc, copper and other materials are natural materials, silica which is the basic element in photovoltaic cells is also natural, glass growing has been done for ages, fused silica technology is sixty years old, and it took thirty years to develop it.

    So your argument could be applied to plate glass, or any other optical material; herewith, your argument isn't sound.

    by the way, the Shcotts and the Hereaus and the Cornings of the world converted their furnaces in the eighties to utilize green power. It would help if you research an opinion before you posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Kinda wrong here, zinc, copper and other materials are natural materials, silica which is the basic element in photovoltaic cells is also natural, glass growing has been done for ages, fused silica technology is sixty years old, and it took thirty years to develop it.

    So your argument could be applied to plate glass, or any other optical material; herewith, your argument isn't sound.
    Let’s test out your theory:

    A caveman from 15,000 years ago makes a fire using two pieces of wood, adds some more wood, and then picks some coal up from the side of a valley. He throws the coal onto the fire. Here he is, in pre-history, enjoying a nice hot coal fire. Were any factories used? Nope.

    A thousand miles away another caveman makes his way to an escarpment, where gas bubbles up from a natural well. It has long been known to his ancestors that if lit, the gas burns. He places his firestick above the gas, and it burns. He sets up camp and enjoys the heat. He will hunt here for the next week or two, and skin the animals, and stock up with weapons.

    Five hundred miles to the north another caveman kneels down at the base of a cliff, where black, sticky oil exudes from the ground. He scoops up the crude oil in a goat skin bag, and takes it back to his camp. The oil is dribbled over a bunch of wood to make it easier to light. It is also used to mix with soil to make a base for makeup, which will be smeared on his body. He lights the woodpile, and a large fire begins to burn furiously. It is time to do the sacred weather dance, to appease the angry weather gods.

    How will Greenies score the three men above? 10 out of 10, no? Let’s see how Homer Simpson goes:

    Homer needs warmth, so he drives his pickup down to the giant hardware depot and buys six large solar panels. His pickup is made up of thousands of metal and plastic parts which were made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity. The hardware depot was also put together with thousands of metal and plastic parts, made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity. The solar panels were assembled in another factory, and transported around the world using giant ships and trucks, all of which were made up of thousands of parts, manufactured in factories using electricity. At home Homer climbs an aluminium ladder (made in a factory) and fixes these panels to his roof using a bunch of tools that were made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity, and transported around the world using giant ships and trucks, all of which were made up of thousands of parts, manufactured in factories using electricity. Once they are all connected, Homer gets a few dollars off his electricity bill. How green is that!?

    Not very green at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Let’s test out your theory:

    A caveman from 15,000 years ago makes a fire using two pieces of wood, adds some more wood, and then picks some coal up from the side of a valley. He throws the coal onto the fire. Here he is, in pre-history, enjoying a nice hot coal fire. Were any factories used? Nope.

    A thousand miles away another caveman makes his way to an escarpment, where gas bubbles up from a natural well. It has long been known to his ancestors that if lit, the gas burns. He places his firestick above the gas, and it burns. He sets up camp and enjoys the heat. He will hunt here for the next week or two, and skin the animals, and stock up with weapons.

    Five hundred miles to the north another caveman kneels down at the base of a cliff, where black, sticky oil exudes from the ground. He scoops up the crude oil in a goat skin bag, and takes it back to his camp. The oil is dribbled over a bunch of wood to make it easier to light. It is also used to mix with soil to make a base for makeup, which will be smeared on his body. He lights the woodpile, and a large fire begins to burn furiously. It is time to do the sacred weather dance, to appease the angry weather gods.

    How will Greenies score the three men above? 10 out of 10, no? Let’s see how Homer Simpson goes:

    Homer needs warmth, so he drives his pickup down to the giant hardware depot and buys six large solar panels. His pickup is made up of thousands of metal and plastic parts which were made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity. The hardware depot was also put together with thousands of metal and plastic parts, made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity. The solar panels were assembled in another factory, and transported around the world using giant ships and trucks, all of which were made up of thousands of parts, manufactured in factories using electricity. At home Homer climbs an aluminium ladder (made in a factory) and fixes these panels to his roof using a bunch of tools that were made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity, and transported around the world using giant ships and trucks, all of which were made up of thousands of parts, manufactured in factories using electricity. Once they are all connected, Homer gets a few dollars off his electricity bill. How green is that!?

    Not very green at all.
    Compare your scenarios only with about 6.2 billion cavemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Let’s test out your theory:

    A caveman from 15,000 years ago makes a fire using two pieces of wood, adds some more wood, and then picks some coal up from the side of a valley. He throws the coal onto the fire. Here he is, in pre-history, enjoying a nice hot coal fire. Were any factories used? Nope.

    A thousand miles away another caveman makes his way to an escarpment, where gas bubbles up from a natural well. It has long been known to his ancestors that if lit, the gas burns. He places his firestick above the gas, and it burns. He sets up camp and enjoys the heat. He will hunt here for the next week or two, and skin the animals, and stock up with weapons.

    Five hundred miles to the north another caveman kneels down at the base of a cliff, where black, sticky oil exudes from the ground. He scoops up the crude oil in a goat skin bag, and takes it back to his camp. The oil is dribbled over a bunch of wood to make it easier to light. It is also used to mix with soil to make a base for makeup, which will be smeared on his body. He lights the woodpile, and a large fire begins to burn furiously. It is time to do the sacred weather dance, to appease the angry weather gods.

    How will Greenies score the three men above? 10 out of 10, no? Let’s see how Homer Simpson goes:

    Homer needs warmth, so he drives his pickup down to the giant hardware depot and buys six large solar panels. His pickup is made up of thousands of metal and plastic parts which were made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity. The hardware depot was also put together with thousands of metal and plastic parts, made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity. The solar panels were assembled in another factory, and transported around the world using giant ships and trucks, all of which were made up of thousands of parts, manufactured in factories using electricity. At home Homer climbs an aluminium ladder (made in a factory) and fixes these panels to his roof using a bunch of tools that were made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity, and transported around the world using giant ships and trucks, all of which were made up of thousands of parts, manufactured in factories using electricity. Once they are all connected, Homer gets a few dollars off his electricity bill. How green is that!?

    Not very green at all.
    When are you planning on moving to your cave? To take advantage of all that conservation and environmentalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Compare your scenarios only with about 6.2 billion cavemen.
    6.2 billion x 100% green = 100% green.

    6.2 billion x solar panels = 0% green

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Let’s test out your theory:

    A caveman from 15,000 years ago makes a fire using two pieces of wood, adds some more wood, and then picks some coal up from the side of a valley. He throws the coal onto the fire. Here he is, in pre-history, enjoying a nice hot coal fire. Were any factories used? Nope.

    A thousand miles away another caveman makes his way to an escarpment, where gas bubbles up from a natural well. It has long been known to his ancestors that if lit, the gas burns. He places his firestick above the gas, and it burns. He sets up camp and enjoys the heat. He will hunt here for the next week or two, and skin the animals, and stock up with weapons.

    Five hundred miles to the north another caveman kneels down at the base of a cliff, where black, sticky oil exudes from the ground. He scoops up the crude oil in a goat skin bag, and takes it back to his camp. The oil is dribbled over a bunch of wood to make it easier to light. It is also used to mix with soil to make a base for makeup, which will be smeared on his body. He lights the woodpile, and a large fire begins to burn furiously. It is time to do the sacred weather dance, to appease the angry weather gods.

    How will Greenies score the three men above? 10 out of 10, no? Let’s see how Homer Simpson goes:

    Homer needs warmth, so he drives his pickup down to the giant hardware depot and buys six large solar panels. His pickup is made up of thousands of metal and plastic parts which were made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity. The hardware depot was also put together with thousands of metal and plastic parts, made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity. The solar panels were assembled in another factory, and transported around the world using giant ships and trucks, all of which were made up of thousands of parts, manufactured in factories using electricity. At home Homer climbs an aluminium ladder (made in a factory) and fixes these panels to his roof using a bunch of tools that were made in hundreds of different factories, mostly using electricity, and transported around the world using giant ships and trucks, all of which were made up of thousands of parts, manufactured in factories using electricity. Once they are all connected, Homer gets a few dollars off his electricity bill. How green is that!?

    Not very green at all.
    It's not theory, it's fact, you don't know what you are talking about. the fact is your argument which revolves around green energy is a fail; you would eliminate or would have eliminate your fucking windows if we followed your "ahem" theory.

    Give it up, you are out of your league here. Seriously. you know nothing about elemental science nor metallurgy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    you would eliminate or would have eliminate your fucking windows
    What windows? What are you blathering about? Posters should not forget to take their meds before posting.

    Seriously. you know nothing about elemental science nor metallurgy.
    If you think solar panels are ‘green’, while coal is not, you’re the one who knows nothing about science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    6.2 billion x 100% green = 100% green.

    6.2 billion x solar panels = 0% green
    Burning all that wood and coal is green? Dream on. And don't let facts disturb you at all. Just wallow in your make-believe world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Compare your scenarios only with about 6.2 billion cavemen.
    The cavemen should off themselves for the good of the planet. You first.
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