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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Trust me, when you get older you'll come to realize that youth is something to be envious of.

    Not much I wouldn't do to be 20 years old again.
    You are probably right, but ever since I was a nipper, I always wanted to be a bit older. And even at this age, I am irritated at strangers asking me what school I attend, and having to produce ID at pubs. And not everything about youth is good - I would hate to be 14/15 again, and be covered in spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    I thought so too in ’67, but I was ten. Nowadays my kids’ kids play it, but a game can never replace picking up rent in real life.



    The half of the Australia that is loafing on the dole is way too lazy to ever bother revolting. That would be too much like a job.



    That takes time. If a country continues down Socialist Street they eventually go down the drain. There won’t be any money left to give the moochers. THEN they get up and look for work, or start looting.



    Success at taxing, yes. Business pays nearly all tax, and this funds the government while it works its way towards bankruptcy. That is a long, slow process. It took the USSR 74 years to finally creak to a halt, bankrupt and poverty stricken, after about a hundred million murders and a thousand Mt. Everests of hardship, agony and pain by hundreds of millions of poor, downtrodden suckers.



    Marxism failed for Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Fidel and Kim, and it will fail for you, comrade.

    Australia is a wonderful example of how a progressive government can turn a nation around in a few decades. Your country was filled with the detritus of the United Kingdom, it was a penal colony. Now it is a wonderful nation. You might want to rethink your views on how it got there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post

    The question is, when are the Left going to admit that it was an illusion and give up? It’s been 26 years for fuck’s sake. How long are they going to continue living in La La Land?


    It's good to see conservatives refuse Australia's excellent health care system. It's good to see conservatives put their children through private schools without burdening the state. It's good to see conservatives stand their ground and refuse the pension when the time comes. It's good to know that conservatives refused Rudd's handout when the GFC hit. It's good to see that the conservatives sent the handout back en masse.

    Yeah fucking right they did. This hypocrisy gives me the shits-conservatives bleat and bray about the effects of Fabian socialism with their hands held out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    Australia is a wonderful example of how a progressive government
    A) Left winged governments aren’t ‘progressive’. That’s another incorrect label from the Left. ‘Progress’ or ‘reform’ is about improvement. Socialists don’t improve anything. They make things go backwards to a less advanced state, so you should call them regressive.

    B) Like the U.S. we swing between conservative governments and liberal governments. At the moment it’s supposed to be conservative but the idiot in charge (Turnbull) is a bit flaky.

    can turn a nation around in a few decades.
    John Howard did that, and Tony Abbott was doing the same when he was betrayed by Turnbull. Once Howard finished, as with Reagan, Lefties got in to destroy all his good work.

    Your country was filled with the detritus of the United Kingdom,
    If you mean convicts, the worst of them were kept in Britain. About 60,000 were sent to America. 160,000 petty crims were sent to Oz. As big as the U.S. mainland, Oz was way too big to ‘fill’, as you put it. Millions of immigrants to Australia swamped convicts long ago. If you want detritus see your own prison population of 2.3 million, or count the felons among your 12 million illegal immigrants. If you need more you can sift through Australia’s 4,500 prisoners. England needed people to build roads and bridges, etc., in their colonies. Meanwhile their prisons were overflowing. Sending murderers and such would be counterproductive as that would only create murder and mayhem in the new colonies, so they sent small time perps; people who stole a loaf of bread and the like. These kind of perps would make good road makers, fence builders, farmers and so on. As for me, my passport says Canadian, so take the matter up with Oz.

    http://www.earlyamericancrime.com/ca...transportation

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_colony

    it was a penal colony.
    As was colonial America. Also, France sent their convicts to Canada, and many of them would have travelled to the U.S. in later years, as would their descendants. Many felons from every country have travelled to the U.S. over the centuries. It’s a magnet not just for good hardworking people, but for those of a darker nature, like the Mafia. I guess the true number of felons immigrating to the U.S. is uncountable, but one thing’s for sure; it’s a much higher rate than Australia’s.

    Now it is a wonderful nation.
    Beautiful people can develop cancer. Wonderful nations can develop outbreaks of cancerous socialism. It can clear up. If the Left in Oz are defeated, it will be a wonderful country. Until then Australia is a wonderful country with plenty of socialist sores. Like America.

    You might want to rethink your views on how it got there.
    How Australia got here? First it separated form Gondwana. Humans evolved and came to Oz using a string of Islands and primitive boats, and many thousands of years went by. Captain Cook came along to start the beginning of white settlement. The rule of law was established and roads and towns were built, and things were going reasonably well until socialists began screwing everything up. Which part do I need to rethink?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
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    A) Left winged governments aren’t ‘progressive’. That’s another incorrect label from the Left. ‘Progress’ or ‘reform’ is about improvement. Socialists don’t improve anything. They make things go backwards to a less advanced state, so you should call them regressive.

    B) Like the U.S. we swing between conservative governments and liberal governments. At the moment it’s supposed to be conservative but the idiot in charge (Turnbull) is a bit flaky.



    John Howard did that, and Tony Abbott was doing the same when he was betrayed by Turnbull. Once Howard finished, as with Reagan, Lefties got in to destroy all his good work.



    If you mean convicts, the worst of them were kept in Britain. About 60,000 were sent to America. 160,000 petty crims were sent to Oz. As big as the U.S. mainland, Oz was way too big to ‘fill’, as you put it. Millions of immigrants to Australia swamped convicts long ago. If you want detritus see your own prison population of 2.3 million, or count the felons among your 12 million illegal immigrants. If you need more you can sift through Australia’s 4,500 prisoners. England needed people to build roads and bridges, etc., in their colonies. Meanwhile their prisons were overflowing. Sending murderers and such would be counterproductive as that would only create murder and mayhem in the new colonies, so they sent small time perps; people who stole a loaf of bread and the like. These kind of perps would make good road makers, fence builders, farmers and so on. As for me, my passport says Canadian, so take the matter up with Oz.

    http://www.earlyamericancrime.com/ca...transportation

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_colony



    As was colonial America. Also, France sent their convicts to Canada, and many of them would have travelled to the U.S. in later years, as would their descendants. Many felons from every country have travelled to the U.S. over the centuries. It’s a magnet not just for good hardworking people, but for those of a darker nature, like the Mafia. I guess the true number of felons immigrating to the U.S. is uncountable, but one thing’s for sure; it’s a much higher rate than Australia’s.



    Beautiful people can develop cancer. Wonderful nations can develop outbreaks of cancerous socialism. It can clear up. If the Left in Oz are defeated, it will be a wonderful country. Until then Australia is a wonderful country with plenty of socialist sores. Like America.



    How Australia got here? First it separated form Gondwana. Humans evolved and came to Oz using a string of Islands and primitive boats, and many thousands of years went by. Captain Cook came along to start the beginning of white settlement. The rule of law was established and roads and towns were built, and things were going reasonably well until socialists began screwing everything up. Which part do I need to rethink?

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    Seriously, if socialism was an illusion, what is it now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Seriously, if socialism was an illusion, what is it now?
    Well plucked.

    That's what's kinda sad for socialists. Many people (including socialists) understood that when the USSR failed the experiment was over. Socialism was just an illusion. It doesn't work, just as praying to gods doesn’t work. It’s a fantasy. Like religious people though, millions of socialists cling on to that illusion. Others take advantage of it. What is killing it slowly but surely is technology, especially communication technology. As we begin merging our brains with that technology it will be harder and harder for looters to loot without being exposed. At the moment a person can rip someone off, while another person fumbles in their bag for their cell phone to record. By the time the woman starts recording, the event is over. Imagine when we have a few cameras on our bodies that are almost invisible, crystal clear HD, recording 24 hours a day, that we can upload anytime using our mind. Imagine the trouble socialists or any other looters will have then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Well plucked.

    That's what's kinda sad for socialists. Many people (including socialists) understood that when the USSR failed the experiment was over. Socialism was just an illusion. It doesn't work, just as praying to gods doesn’t work. It’s a fantasy. Like religious people though, millions of socialists cling on to that illusion. Others take advantage of it. What is killing it slowly but surely is technology, especially communication technology. As we begin merging our brains with that technology it will be harder and harder for looters to loot without being exposed. At the moment a person can rip someone off, while another person fumbles in their bag for their cell phone to record. By the time the woman starts recording, the event is over. Imagine when we have a few cameras on our bodies that are almost invisible, crystal clear HD, recording 24 hours a day, that we can upload anytime using our mind. Imagine the trouble socialists or any other looters will have then.
    Thank you.

    I think my question is both valid and no illusion. It is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Thank you.

    I think my question is both valid and no illusion. It is real.
    Indeed it was. Did anyone suggest otherwise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Indeed it was. Did anyone suggest otherwise?
    The 'well-plucked' bit was a tad dismissive, but I obviously don't have a problem with being dismissed or being dismissive - do it all the time myself and suffer the same as well.

    In other words: no harm, no foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    The 'well-plucked' bit was a tad dismissive, but I obviously don't have a problem with being dismissed or being dismissive - do it all the time myself and suffer the same as well.

    In other words: no harm, no foul.
    'Well plucked' where I'm from means the same as picking out something, and doing it well. It was a compliment.

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