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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Hey, I'm not proffering up the man as proof of anything, only a part of his book to show that dystopian society can be used in fiction effectively. The poor blighter was only 47 when he died, so what chance did he really have to overcome his liking of socialism? I'm sure if he saw today's modern Democrats (or Labour Party in England), letting hordes of 3rd world immigrants in, trying to let kids decide for themselves about sex change operations, encouraging kids in school to experiment with their sexuality, lying about the weather, abandoning all discipline in schools and the home, destroying marriage, insisting on having gay marriage, encouraging women to divorce men, destroy families, etc. etc. he would very quickly begin voting for conservatives.
    Perhaps discipline has been abandoned in Australian schools, but not here. Kids get in trouble now in school for stuff that we got away with back in the old days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Perhaps discipline has been abandoned in Australian schools, but not here. Kids get in trouble now in school for stuff that we got away with back in the old days.
    Australian educational standards are some of the highest in the world, but it still has its fair share of idiots, just like any other nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Why do you use a timer on your oven?
    You're making an assumption that may, or may not be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Yes, that does seem to be the latest bunk from the right.
    They are not by definition socialist countries. I'm sorry to disappoint you but Sweden for instance is a parliamentary constitutional monarchy, whose economy is defined as free-market capitalism. Find me a serious reference that says its a Socialist State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Perhaps discipline has been abandoned in Australian schools, but not here. Kids get in trouble now in school for stuff that we got away with back in the old days.
    You have no idea was discipline is. It was forbidden long ago by hippies. When the last of them march off to old people's homes, it will return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Yes, that does seem to be the latest bunk from the right.
    He is attempting to lure you into a semantics game. Don't go there.

    It's a very socialist state, but it is not labelled as such owing to the 'Fabian' elements. Like most successful nations, it's a compromise of socialist ideals with a capitalist economy, much like Australia, but to a far greater extent.

    The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism or Nordic social democracy) refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level. The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.
    Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government; and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.


    Now, I'll leave you to the boredom of Rob games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    He is attempting to lure you into a semantics game. Don't go there.

    It's a very socialist state, but it is not labelled as such owing to the 'Fabian' elements. Like most successful nations, it's a compromise of socialist ideals with a capitalist economy, much like Australia, but to a far greater extent.

    The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism or Nordic social democracy) refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level. The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.
    Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government; and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.


    Now, I'll leave to the boredom of Rob games.
    Ever since the 1990's Australia has really got its act together... becoming one of the most well-governed countries in the world with tight immigration controls (some of the most stringent in the world) and policies explicitly targeted to improve the lives of its citizens.

    I'm envious of the country in many ways. It knows how to put its country and citizens first and has done a phenomenal job at improving the lives of those who live there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    You have no idea was discipline is. It was forbidden long ago by hippies. When the last of them march off to old people's homes, it will return.
    Oh, really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Ever since the 1990's Australia has really got its act together... becoming one of the most well-governed countries in the world with tight immigration controls (some of the most stringent in the world) and policies explicitly targeted to improve the lives of its citizens.

    I'm envious of the country in many ways. It knows how to put its country and citizens first and has done a phenomenal job at improving the lives of those who live there.
    It truly is the 'Lucky Country' as they claim, and we have our problems, but nothing that we can't sort out. We tend to be a pragmatic people without the restraints of a strong Christian influence in government, but we are losing our identity in recent generations, and the growing sense of entitlement is disturbing. Maybe it's my generation, because this place was tough in the sixties and we dragged it kicking and screaming into a civilised country.

    Our immigration policy is easy to police owing to Australia being an island continent. But it's much tougher when nations share borders. Also note, being a supporter of gun regulation, I recognise that this feature is a large contributor to the success of gun reforms in Australia, and I would be disingenuous if I didn't state thus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Oh, really?
    Really.

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