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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post

    On another thread someone said that that the Soviet Union was not socialist. I looked up ‘USSR’ in various online resources to show that indeed, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was indeed socialist.

    "The economic foundation of the U.S.S.R. was “Socialist ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange,” and the economy of the entire country was controlled by a series of five-year plans that set targets for all forms of production."

    If you look at Encyclopaedia Britannica, under the definition of USSR, it gives a three page definition. At the end of the third page in the last summarizing paragraph, it concludes by saying:

    “Economic failure was the key reason for the U.S.S.R.’s collapse. The socialist alternative to the market economy turned out to be an illusion.”

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Sov...m-1953-to-1991

    The question is, when are the Left going to admit that it was an illusion and give up? It’s been 26 years for fuck’s sake. How long are they going to continue living in La La Land?


    Socialism = control by working people. Various kinds of capitalism are forced to call themselves socialist to remain in power. like Hitler. It is like the USA calling itself Christian - an obvious contradiction of all sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    On another thread someone said that that the Soviet Union was not socialist. I looked up ‘USSR’ in various online resources to show that indeed, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was indeed socialist.

    "The economic foundation of the U.S.S.R. was “Socialist ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange,” and the economy of the entire country was controlled by a series of five-year plans that set targets for all forms of production."

    If you look at Encyclopaedia Britannica, under the definition of USSR, it gives a three page definition. At the end of the third page in the last summarizing paragraph, it concludes by saying:

    Economic failure was the key reason for the U.S.S.R.’s collapse. The socialist alternative to the market economy turned out to be an illusion.”

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Sov...m-1953-to-1991

    The question is, when are the Left going to admit that it was an illusion and give up? It’s been 26 years for fuck’s sake. How long are they going to continue living in La La Land?
    I don't know where you got the fucking stupid idea that the left thinks socialism was an illusion. I know they are not in favor of govt ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange,” so what is the point of your stupid thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Good point. I'll pay that.

    On the other hand, I do hear many Lefties denying the Soviets were socialists. They don't understand that the goal of socialism is to lead to communism, but it's all six of one and half a dozen of the other. The fact is, whether or not they were communists, that they were a Socialist State. A thing can be more than one thing. For instance, a democracy can also be a capitalist economy. Democratic AND capitalist.
    It can also have a universal healthcare system covering everyone and also be a capitalist country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    In my case I merely point out that National Socialists (Nazis) were socialists. As for socialists generally, they come in many different flavors, colors and types. Not many are National Socialists, but all will evolve into something similar, given time and enough power.
    nazis are facists, not socialists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    The United States isn’t a socialist state, yet. Here’s the definition of socialism:

    Socialism

    noun

    noun: socialism

    1. a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    synonyms: leftism, welfarism;

    radicalism, progressivism, social democracy; communism, Marxism, labor movement

    "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"

    o policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.

    synonyms: leftism, welfarism;

    radicalism, progressivism, social democracy;

    communism, Marxism, labor movement

    "my appreciation for certain aspects of socialism does not mean I'm a socialist"

    o (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.




    The Left is not mythical – here is the definition:


    Left wing

    noun

    noun: left wing; plural noun: left wings; noun: leftwing; plural noun: leftwings

    1. 1.
    the liberal, socialist, or radical section of a political party or system.

    2. 2.
    the left side of a team on the field in soccer, rugby, and field hockey.

    "his usual position on the left wing"

    o the left side of an army.

    "the Allied left wing"

    adjective

    adjective: left-wing; adjective: left wing; adjective: leftwing

    1. 1.
    liberal, socialist, or radical.
    "left-wing activists"

    synonyms: liberal, leftist, left-of-center, left-leaning; More
    socialist, communist;

    Labor/Labour, Marxist, Bolshevik; informalcommie, lefty, red, pinko

    "the committee's left-wing policies"

    antonyms: right-wing, conservative
    you haven't the intelligence to be stating what the left is for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Australia is wallowing in taxes. If you run a business as I do it's not easy. Half the country is on some kind of welfare. The pigs all have their snouts in the trough, and think the world owes them a living. Fighting it here is fruitless, because Aussies copy Yanks. Once you guys start cleaning up your act, and removing socialistic ideas, we'll start doing the same, perhaps with a lag of 15 to 25 years. Trump is the beginning of that change.
    when it comes to universal health insurance administered by a Medicare for all system, it looks like the US is 15 to 25 years behind Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    When will the Left accept that Socialism was an illusion?

    When the bosses' arse-lickers disappear up- their own and leave the world cleansed.
    If you hate capitalism so much (which depends on bosses), why do you sit in a dwelling surrounded by tens of thousands of capitalism's products? Why not dispense with them entirely, and live as our cavemen ancestors did? Go naked into the forest and live by digging up grubs and scrabbling together sticks and branches for a house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    Socialism = control by working people.
    That’s certainly what they tell you, but that isn’t what happens. Once a socialist government is in place, they, the government, control you. They don’t just control you, they RULE you with an iron fist, and it isn’t a nice experience. What’s more, it gets worse and worse as time goes on, since power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Most private companies are polite and treat customers well. Some may not be so polite, and some may even degenerate into rip-off merchants and thieves, at which point they cease to be real businesses, but they are rare. In the case of socialist governments, in each and every case they become incompetent, corrupt, lazy, power mad bureaucratic tyrants, who will ruin your life on a whim. They censor their critics, imprison their detractors, and will eventually torture and kill them en masse, if given enough time and power.

    Various kinds of capitalism are forced to call themselves socialist to remain in power. like Hitler.
    Hitler and his National Socialist party were socialists, nothing like capitalists. Here is the definition of capitalism:

    “an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.”

    In Hitler’s case his National Socialists were in supreme command of everything in Germany, including any industry. Adolf was the Führer and woe betide anyone that disobeyed with his orders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    On another thread someone said that that the Soviet Union was not socialist. I looked up ‘USSR’ in various online resources to show that indeed, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was indeed socialist.

    "The economic foundation of the U.S.S.R. was “Socialist ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange,” and the economy of the entire country was controlled by a series of five-year plans that set targets for all forms of production."

    If you look at Encyclopaedia Britannica, under the definition of USSR, it gives a three page definition. At the end of the third page in the last summarizing paragraph, it concludes by saying:

    Economic failure was the key reason for the U.S.S.R.’s collapse. The socialist alternative to the market economy turned out to be an illusion.”

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Sov...m-1953-to-1991

    The question is, when are the Left going to admit that it was an illusion and give up? It’s been 26 years for fuck’s sake. How long are they going to continue living in La La Land?

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    So what? Some other idiot thinks Nazis were socialists, when they were Fascists. People will spew whatever partisan dreck fills their imagination I suppose.
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