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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    why are you equating what one person said to "the left"?
    Yeah! - It's not like you are some Nazi because you pointed out that there are bad people in Antifa that commit violence.

    You see that would be generalizing and broad brushing and liberals/progressives are against that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Right about the same time as our nation stops building public roads, public schools, publicly funded police forces, and publicly funded firehouses.

    More importantly when are you going to stop talking about this mythical "Left", as if every single person who is not a conservative believes, and behaves exactly the same way?
    The minute you all stop labeling those that disagree with your agendas nazi's/racists/bigots.

    Don't hold yer breath
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Australia isn’t a socialist state, yet.
    I never said it was (see comprehension).

    It’s still a capitalist democracy like America, and like America it is plagued by socialists.
    Yes, it's a healthy society, so you probably hate it.

    They have driven all the car companies out, along with thousands of other big companies. Tens of thousands of others have shut down.
    That would be owing to competition and the greed of a population that wants everything NOW! And as cheaply as possible. Aussie auto companies haven't been travelling well since the energy crisis of the seventies. That allowed Rice burners to take over the market as Aussie car companies were slow to respond. The dumping of isolationist policies and tariffs also contributed to the failure of the car companies. GM and Ford were counting on the TPP remember? Or have you forgotten that? How many times have Mitsubishi been bailed out by administrations, both on the left and the right? Why didn't you mention that?

    This all happened thanks to greedy socialist unions and greedy Labor governments with their huge taxes on everything you can think of.
    That's not quite the story though is it? I mean, that's deliberately misrepresenting the situation. The Real Estate agents have much to answer for by over inflating property values. The lack of expenditure on infrastructure also drove up costs. Workplace Health and Safety legislation drove up costs. And on and on it goes. Let's go back to the good ol' days when many died at work, at least we can profit off the deaths.

    It used to cost $150 to register a car a few years back. Now it’s close to $1000.
    It was $150 to register a car in the '70's. You are lying. A V8 isn't even $1000. A four cylinder has been over $500 p/a for some years now.

    Water is expensive because Labor morons made sure we didn’t have enough dams (to save a few trees).
    The Mary Valley project would not have improved the water situation. Oddly enough, you seem to have conveniently forgotten that a conservative party scrapped the water grid plan.

    'In Qld Electricity is expensive because Labor morons are destroying all our power companies to replace them with ‘green’ windmills, etc., and as a result black outs have begun in some cities, like Adelaide. That’s just the tip of the iceberg.
    No, in Qld, the Blighttie governments ran down the grid in order to sell it and the providers were shocked by the amount of upgrading needed. I have discussed this problem with those 'in the know' and it is endemic throughout leftist governments as they drift toward the right. You can't tell me Labor is a left-wing party anymore-that doesn't fly.

    Another problem you conveniently overlook is the fact that Qld has suffered repeated natural disasters over the last decade that have effectively broken the state.

    Brisbane and the SE- serious flooding twice since 2011; the cyclone trashing Ingham and environs; the massive drought that broke with the floods, etc. You cannot ignore all the contributory factors and participate in honest debate at the same time.

    Bear all this in mind when you waste your vote on One Nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    I never said it was (see comprehension).
    Nor did I say you did.

    You did say, “If socialism has failed. So why is Australia doing so well?” which is kinda how I thought Hannity might ask the question. Anyway, as I said, it isn’t socialist yet.


    Yes, it's a healthy society, so you probably hate it.
    Think of a nice picnic, spoiled by ants, flies and a storm brewing. The nice picnic is Australia. The ants, flies and storm are the socialists swarming in Australia. I’m not complaining about the picnic – just the other things.

    That would be owing to competition and the greed of a population that wants everything NOW!
    Nah, it was due to Labor’s unions, demanding so much money, benefits and time off that it was impossible for companies to continue making cars etc. Labor’s high taxes, carbon taxes, high electricity and water costs, and red and green tape didn’t help.

    That's not quite the story though is it? I mean, that's deliberately misrepresenting the situation.
    It’s misrepresenting the situation about as much as saying that the Founder’s mothers were stay at home moms who used discipline to raise their children, or that the Democrats were against freeing the slaves, or that the Democrats started the KKK.

    You are lying. A V8 isn't even $1000.
    See this 2010 page: https://www.ausgamers.com/forums/gen...ad.php/2910231

    “Cost me close to a grand for green slip and rego”

    “$800 for my car, $430 for my bike – sux”

    It’s worse now, 7 years later.

    The Mary Valley project would not have improved the water situation. Oddly enough, you seem to have conveniently forgotten that a conservative party scrapped the water grid plan.
    Labor did everything they could to screw up our water, from banning the building of dams to building a white elephant desalination plant. Conservatives worked hard to get dams built, and are still being blocked to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    <edited the noise> Nah, it was due to Labor’s unions, demanding so much money, benefits and time off that it was impossible for companies to continue making cars etc. Labor’s high taxes, carbon taxes, high electricity and water costs, and red and green tape didn’t help.
    Ok, obviously you don't care to address the points raised. Were they somewhat highbrow? Go on ignoring economic reality in your quest to libel the left. What about Ford and GM counting on the TPP which blew up in their face because of the Trumpwit?

    I know, we can drop all regulations and let hundreds die on the job. That would make more money.

    “Cost me close to a grand for green slip and rego”
    Ok, a green slip and rego. It's not '$150 for rego a few years back' is it? Goal post shift noted.

    Labor did everything they could to screw up our water, from banning the building of dams to building a white elephant desalination plant. Conservatives worked hard to get dams built, and are still being blocked to this day.
    Then why did Newman defund the water grid programme which was supposed to solve the problem? Would it be because the drought was over and he thought no-one would notice? You remind me of Andrew Bolt in the way he only tells half the story.

    You didn't really address my points. You made a lot of noise, but you didn't disprove anything I posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Go on ignoring reality in your quest to libel the left.
    It’s ‘Left’, and exposing them isn’t libel. Here’s the definition of libel:

    “…a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.”

    The Left in Australia have been banning dams since the 70’s and before. They were very proud of this, and anyone can Google it to see for themselves. Here’s a horrible old ABC vid, showing a map of Australia with ‘Ban the Dams’ stickers all over it, and explaining how Bob Hawke, Australia’s next Labor Prime Minister would do his best to ban them, starting with the Tasmanian dam.

    https://youtu.be/a3reEIqyR64?t=5m51s

    Since then Labor has done its very best to stop any dams being built, which is why water is so expensive in Oz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Learn to use the quote function. I haven’t a clue what you’re nattering about. The last time I mentioned ‘poor’ was when I said, “The poor,” above. Where did you get ‘undeserving’ from?



    You need to use a colon ( : ) and a quote as follows, so people can verify it’s mine, and in what context it was made:





    Isn’t that sweet? He’s worried about my ‘we’. Let me put it another way, to comfort you:

    “We (America, England, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Europe and etcetera) used to be much closer to a purely capitalist state in the past, and those days provided us with great things, like the American Constitution.”

    Xenophobes find it hard to understand the World Wide Web. They’re like old geezers back in the days of horseless carriages, insisting cars were evil, or the old fogies who thought telephones were the work of the devil. They can’t adapt to a world where people across the planet discuss politics. At this point they’re more than two decades behind the times.



    Obviously you have a bad case of this syndrome. If you don’t know that humans use ‘we’ all the time online, meaning ‘all people’, then it’s time you began really getting out there and taking a look around. Here’s a starter:

    https://www.google.com/search?biw=13....0.O7dX98m6QXA



    Well you’d be confusing neighborly favors with a political system then. Socialism is an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are owned by the State. Capitalism is an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the State. Your neighbor's lawn has nothing to do with it, but you do get a scout point, for being nice to her.



    Well if you do whistle the Internationale, people will think you’re a communist, so yes; best to stick with the tea and cake.
    I am not entirely convinced by your attempts to camouflage your disdain for the poor and your Americano-centrism. Your use of American spelling (we have neighbours in Australia and the UK,) is but one indicator of the latter, and whilst the US Constitution may indeed be a worthy document, it is of little interest, and of even less import, to an Australian, Canadian, Englishman, European, or New Zealander.

    I am in fact, a great admirer of the American people, but as to American society; let's just say - to each his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    I am not entirely convinced by your attempts to camouflage your disdain for the poor
    So you’re almost convinced by my concealment of my contempt for poor people. Interesting. When I need a scrambled up sentence that doesn’t make any sense, I’ll come to you.

    and your Americano-centrism.
    You have it ass over tit lad, since I’m the one enduring Americentric hillbillies. Like you they’re obsessed with why anyone from Australia would be talking with Americans. Just an hour or so ago I was watching Tucker Carlson being interviewed by one of our Australian commentators here on Sky News. At one point Tucker said something like, “I can’t believe you would understand that issue, being so far away.” That’s Americentrism. Tucker doesn’t know we watch the same American news that most Americans watch. Fox, CNN, all the same cable news networks.

    Jed: See, over here we got this thang called the constitooshun, and it guarantees us certain inal…, certain inal…”
    Larrikin: Unalienable Rights?
    Jed: Say, are you an alien or not?
    Larrikin: Sure – can’t you see my antennae?
    Jed: Danged fureners. Can’t trust them, no how.

    Your use of American spelling
    When in Rome old son, when in Rome.

    and whilst the US Constitution may indeed be a worthy document, it is of little interest, and of even less import, to an Australian, Canadian, Englishman, European, or New Zealander.
    You obviously missed the ‘like’. Here it is again:

    “We (America, England, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Europe and etcetera) used to be much closer to a purely capitalist state in the past, and those days provided us with great things, like the American Constitution.”

    Had I been saying the same thing on an English board, I might have said, “… provided us with great things, like the Industrial Revolution.”

    Some people aren’t much good in terms of communication, marketing, etc. Never mind, just follow my lead.

    I am in fact, a great admirer of the American people, but as to American society; let's just say - to each his own.
    As I’ve said in the past, Aussies copy America, so if one wishes to stop socialism in Australia, one must start at the source. Trying to change Australian minds is like barking at a caboose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    The rule of law, the courts, a few bureacrats and, if necessary, the police and military, are all the government we need. The rest will take care of itself, and things will be much better for all if gummint is told to do its job and keep its beak out of other people’s business. When someone breaks a law they will be taken to court, judged, and if found guilty, punished. Life goes on.
    You could have just said, "I want a purely capitalist society," and it would have sufficed, and I would have recognised that you are an ideological extremist not worth attempting intelligent discussion. Thank you for playing. You are dismissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    So you’re almost convinced by my concealment of my contempt for poor people. Interesting. When I need a scrambled up sentence that doesn’t make any sense, I’ll come to you.



    You have it ass over tit lad, since I’m the one enduring Americentric hillbillies. Like you they’re obsessed with why anyone from Australia would be talking with Americans. Just an hour or so ago I was watching Tucker Carlson being interviewed by one of our Australian commentators here on Sky News. At one point Tucker said something like, “I can’t believe you would understand that issue, being so far away.” That’s Americentrism. Tucker doesn’t know we watch the same American news that most Americans watch. Fox, CNN, all the same cable news networks.

    Jed: See, over here we got this thang called the constitooshun, and it guarantees us certain inal…, certain inal…”
    Larrikin: Unalienable Rights?
    Jed: Say, are you an alien or not?
    Larrikin: Sure – can’t you see my antennae?
    Jed: Danged fureners. Can’t trust them, no how.



    When in Rome old son, when in Rome.



    You obviously missed the ‘like’. Here it is again:

    “We (America, England, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Europe and etcetera) used to be much closer to a purely capitalist state in the past, and those days provided us with great things, like the American Constitution.”

    Had I been saying the same thing on an English board, I might have said, “… provided us with great things, like the Industrial Revolution.”

    Some people aren’t much good in terms of communication, marketing, etc. Never mind, just follow my lead.



    As I’ve said in the past, Aussies copy America, so if one wishes to stop socialism in Australia, one must start at the source. Trying to change Australian minds is like barking at a caboose.

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    I don't mind your American spelling nor your fascination with things American. It is the things you say which cause an issue.

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