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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    What makes you think you can tell someone anything about their mental health? Are You above the rules here? It sure looks like you think you are.
    Because the delusion is real with people who dismiss every stated fact as "leftist", those that are unwilling to engage in a debate and OPEN their minds, can be considered one of two things; inexorably stupidly stubborn or mentally deficit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Because the delusion is real with people who dismiss every stated fact as "leftist", those that are unwilling to engage in a debate and OPEN their minds, can be considered one of two things; inexorably stupidly stubborn or mentally deficit.
    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Because the delusion is real with people who dismiss every stated fact as "leftist", those that are unwilling to engage in a debate and OPEN their minds, can be considered one of two things; inexorably stupidly stubborn or mentally deficit.
    One of my favorite statements is: Nothing goes in a closed mind. As a fiscal conservative, I find it upsetting if some think that fiscal conservatives oppose government social programs. As a fiscal conservative, my concern is that I do not like to see good money thrown after bad. It is my perspective or opinion, that our social programs subsidize poverty, they do not get people out of poverty. Yes, I think we should have somewhat of a business approach to our programs. That is to say, after designed and implemented the process does not end. There must be the continuing process of evaluation, are they meeting the intended objectives. If not they must be amended or eliminated and replaced. When programs are designed such that there is a financial advantage for the father not to be in the home, what the heck did we expect would happen. If another child is another check, what the heck did we think was going to happen. I do not think the answer to our social concerns is singularly the need for more money, but rather, well thought, well designed, efficient and effective programs.

    I think that the most important topic to help people out of poverty is education. As noted in other threads, with the loss of manufacturing, we now need a skilled work force. But, I do not accept the "college for all" concept. Not everyone is suited for college and not all professions require a college degree. What I also find upsetting is the apparent notion by some that an intellectual can only be created on a college campus. I think such attitude diminishes the value and importance of the trades, trades that we definitely need. Governmental support of education must be designed to meet our needs, not necessarily college for all.

    As I have stated in several threads, I think that reasonable people can find reasonable solutions. Reasonable liberals and reasonable conservatives, together, will find reasonable solutions. The problem is finding reasonable people to lead us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allegoricalfact View Post
    Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    One of my favorite statements is: Nothing goes in a closed mind. As a fiscal conservative, I find it upsetting if some think that fiscal conservatives oppose government social programs. As a fiscal conservative, my concern is that I do not like to see good money thrown after bad. It is my perspective or opinion, that our social programs subsidize poverty, they do not get people out of poverty. Yes, I think we should have somewhat of a business approach to our programs. That is to say, after designed and implemented the process does not end. There must be the continuing process of evaluation, are they meeting the intended objectives. If not they must be amended or eliminated and replaced. When programs are designed such that there is a financial advantage for the father not to be in the home, what the heck did we expect would happen. If another child is another check, what the heck did we think was going to happen. I do not think the answer to our social concerns is singularly the need for more money, but rather, well thought, well designed, efficient and effective programs.

    I think that the most important topic to help people out of poverty is education. As noted in other threads, with the loss of manufacturing, we now need a skilled work force. But, I do not accept the "college for all" concept. Not everyone is suited for college and not all professions require a college degree. What I also find upsetting is the apparent notion by some that an intellectual can only be created on a college campus. I think such attitude diminishes the value and importance of the trades, trades that we definitely need. Governmental support of education must be designed to meet our needs, not necessarily college for all.

    As I have stated in several threads, I think that reasonable people can find reasonable solutions. Reasonable liberals and reasonable conservatives, together, will find reasonable solutions. The problem is finding reasonable people to lead us.
    I can certainly agree with that, but the truth is, there is such a great divide and the intelligentsia has become one of "add hot water and stir" I don't believe in holding onto programs that don't work, but I also know the war on drugs has created a large portion of the crime and desperation in the inner cities. You can't keep jailing fathers for having less than an ounce of marijuana for five to eight years, without an impact on the family.

    This is one of the biggest contributors to what we see in our inner cities, and if you want to point to a single program that can be cited for contributing to the increase in police violence, and unjust arrests, the cops program is the number one culprit. Petaluma California was a reasonable crime free town until their town fathers cut the police budget and engaged the cops program; if you see an uptick in crime, you are going to get money from the feds; so the town created their own crisis to backfill the financial vacuum; they sent undercover detectives into their schools to entrap kids into buying and selling weed; one kid was autistic, and his parents fought it tooth and nail.

    I do, am against programs that "don't work" and by all accounts, the war on drugs has been an abysmal failure as well as the cops program.

    I blame the war on drugs on Nixon

    I blame the cops program on Clinton.

    Get rid of them, they don't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Whatever. I don't think it happens.
    it doesn't, the poster does not like to be countermanded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Here's a chilling thought -- if this is the level of abject ignorance you see from right-wingers who are politically engaged enough to spend their days arguing politics on forums like this, imagine what the usual Fox News couch potato is like. The right-wingers on political forums are at least aware of some of the counter-arguments, and they at least have (unwilling) exposure to the kinds of facts that never make it through the conservative media filter. Imagine all the millions who only ever hear what the handlers in the conservative media want them to hear.
    Hi Ark, there is no doubt there are people right now, chaffing at the imposed reasonable environment that they must work and live in. Families have been ripped asunder by politics, especially this last election.

    The pendulum swing from fair and equal to insane and rabid is a swift one, there is no question a divide was created many decades ago, and if you want to point to a single event that stained the presidency, it would be Nixon's resignation; the righties went ballistic because he caved, and the left never trusted the presidency again.

    To my mind eyes, the war in Iraq was a do over for Vietnam, and we all see how that ended up. And again, the divide.

    then there's the inexorable social issues which will never be resolved until the individuals involved are all food for the worms; that dogmatic nonsense that has crept into our national discussion, renders no one a winner; these people who wish abortion to be abolished and use the ideal of fed money funding it (which it doesn't ) don't realize it will never go away, it will be another subterrean economy and women will die; again from abortion, but abortion will live on.

    Gay rights? pass due, this is a civil rights issue, not a religious one, but again that dogma allows for no thought, and no compromise; only for divide.

    So the self imposed divide people have, is their private hell to live in; they can't go to work and use racial slurs, they will be fired.

    They can't go to work and attack gays, they will be fired.

    And it's not because of government regulations, it's because many companies travel in a stratosphere where their brethren have created and cemented codes of conduct; no business is interested in losing money due to lack of productivity; in fact, you impede the bottom line and you are shit thru a goose.

    So you have a choice, you can either try to control yourself in an environment for which you have no control, or

    You can stay home, and watch fox news (allegory)

    It's a bit of a simplistic solution, but it can work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    it doesn't, the poster does not like to be countermanded.
    Countermanded is too big of a word, Pace. Will you please use revoke or overturn to make it easier on me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Here's a chilling thought -- if this is the level of abject ignorance you see from right-wingers who are politically engaged enough to spend their days arguing politics on forums like this, imagine what the usual Fox News couch potato is like. The right-wingers on political forums are at least aware of some of the counter-arguments, and they at least have (unwilling) exposure to the kinds of facts that never make it through the conservative media filter. Imagine all the millions who only ever hear what the handlers in the conservative media want them to hear.
    that's how we got Trump. With a little bit of help from the Russian's feeding fake stories to the media. Which right-wing outlets gleefully picked up on. Like Infowars, Brietbart, and even Fox News. I mean, Sean Hannity got busted spreading a fake news story and he's still working there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    that's how we got Trump. With a little bit of help from the Russian's feeding fake stories to the media. Which right-wing outlets gleefully picked up on. Like Infowars, Brietbart, and even Fox News. I mean, Sean Hannity got busted spreading a fake news story and he's still working there.
    But when we say this, we give people a pass don't we? caveat emptor, buyer beware, I don't think it's an excuse that is easily handed off to those of us who seek facts instead of conviction of pre-ordained beliefs.
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