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    Newt only worked with Clinton on welfare reform. The rest of the time they tried to impeach him.mealy mouthed Scarborough was a leader in that crowd.

    Now,he kisses Clinton's butt to try and get him on his show. I thought he and Mika were going to fall all over themselves the one time he was on at some kind of meeting.
    In the evening of Oct. 28, 1997, House Speaker Newt Gingrich headed to the White House to meet with President Bill Clinton, ostensibly to hammer out final details of the 1998 budget. In reality, Gingrich and Clinton were putting finishing touches on a deal to create a centrist political coalition to fix long-term problems facing Social Security and Medicare. In his new book, The Pact: Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, and the Rivalry That Defined a Generation, Steven Gillon, resident historian of the History Channel and a professor of history at the University of Oklahoma, reveals the behind-the-scenes machinations that led to the meeting and how the potentially historic effort was derailed in an instant by the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

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    From where I am sitting, BOTH parties look to have some pretty severe divisions going on. And it is more than simply Far Right or Far Left against the Moderates of the parties.

    There is an INCREDIBLY strong anti-establishment fervor that, I feel, is still growing.

    The good news, is that we can hopefully trim some fat off our bloated Congress.

    The bad news, is that this likely opens the door for more non-moderate purists from both sides.

    I just think that the American electorate has grown too different for just two parties to represent. As such, both have pushed polarization for votes and donations, but, that only helps keep them in power, as it typically hurts the overall legislative process....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    From where I am sitting, BOTH parties look to have some pretty severe divisions going on. And it is more than simply Far Right or Far Left against the Moderates of the parties.

    There is an INCREDIBLY strong anti-establishment fervor that, I feel, is still growing.

    The good news, is that we can hopefully trim some fat off our bloated Congress.

    The bad news, is that this likely opens the door for more non-moderate purists from both sides.

    I just think that the American electorate has grown too different for just two parties to represent. As such, both have pushed polarization for votes and donations, but, that only helps keep them in power, as it typically hurts the overall legislative process....
    A third party isn't possible.

    What would their platform be?

    Where do they stand on immigration, gun control, abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    They seem to be doing fine to me.

    They keep winning seats.

    Its the democrats that can't get any moderates which is the problem.
    They all but purged any moderates from the DNC right after 2006.....

    I don't know if they have any blue dogs left.

    In fact, I think many in the Democrat Party consider Jim Webb to be an "extremist....."

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    'Moderation' is status quo, status quo is corruption, loosely enforced immigration law, sanctuary cities, $20 trillion debt, $.6 trillion deficits, more spending, higher taxes, collapsing Obamacare, insolvent Social Security/Medicare, hostility to capitalism, individual rights and liberties....

    Fuck moderation. the road to hell is paved with moderation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    They all but purged any moderates from the DNC right after 2006.....

    I don't know if they have any blue dogs left.

    In fact, I think many in the Democrat Party consider Jim Webb to be an "extremist....."
    Correct, its why they are collapsing as a party.

    Hell, do you even know of one platform issue the DNC has right now that they are going to run on?

    I don't.

    Its all about hate for Trump.

    Republicans might be confused in their party right now but they have goals set with Trump, the democrats are just in pure chaos at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    A third party isn't possible.

    What would their platform be?

    Where do they stand on immigration, gun control, abortion?
    Any number of things.

    The way I see it, we have enough differences to create FOUR parties (Which, I think, would be best):

    --A Conservative Party
    --A right of center Moderate Party
    --A left of center Moderate Party
    --A Liberal Party.

    The reason I would like for us to try this dynamic, is that it may actually allow for better governance, as we don't have JUST the Two "TEAMS." (Which is how the Dims and Pugs act these days: as two opposed TEAMS, who can only score points, on the other. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Any number of things.

    The way I see it, we have enough differences to create FOUR parties (Which, I think, would be best):

    --A Conservative Party
    --A right of center Moderate Party
    --A left of center Moderate Party
    --A Liberal Party.

    The reason I would like for us to try this dynamic, is that it may actually allow for better governance, as we don't have JUST the Two "TEAMS." (Which is how the Dims and Pugs act these days: as two opposed TEAMS, who can only score points, on the other. )
    That looks good on paper but it doesn't work in reality.

    If it were feasible we would have it already but the fact is that a third party can never distinguish themselves enough to get the votes they need to win.

    There is no platform they can devise that is different enough from the democrats or republicans and yet appeal to enough voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    That looks good on paper but it doesn't work in reality.

    If it were feasible we would have it already but the fact is that a third party can never distinguish themselves enough to get the votes they need to win.

    There is no platform they can devise that is different enough from the democrats or republicans and yet appeal to enough voters.
    I think I could!

    I would start with: TERM LIMITS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    I think I could!

    I would start with: TERM LIMITS!
    We already have term limits. No elected official is allowed to serve more terms than the people he represents allow him to.

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