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    Of course not. But I sometimes find your perspective difficult to swallow, so I don't. I didn't say that. When I speak of "markets," I'm not talking only about the stock market. But Bernie isn't a liberal--he's beyond that.

    Sorry, this makes no sense to me. I don't believe the .01% are stupid enough to kill the very environment in which they prosper so completely. I DO think they crashed the HOUSING market, perhaps on purpose, so they could turn America's homeowner housing stock into rental property. We see that happening right now.

    As opposed to anyone from Delaware?
    Really?

    What caused the Great Depression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    From where I am sitting, BOTH parties look to have some pretty severe divisions going on. And it is more than simply Far Right or Far Left against the Moderates of the parties.

    There is an INCREDIBLY strong anti-establishment fervor that, I feel, is still growing.

    The good news, is that we can hopefully trim some fat off our bloated Congress.

    The bad news, is that this likely opens the door for more non-moderate purists from both sides.

    I just think that the American electorate has grown too different for just two parties to represent. As such, both have pushed polarization for votes and donations, but, that only helps keep them in power, as it typically hurts the overall legislative process....
    How will that work with our electoral college system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post

    Sorry, this makes no sense to me. I don't believe the .01% are stupid enough to kill the very environment in which they prosper so completely. I DO think they crashed the HOUSING market, perhaps on purpose, so they could turn America's homeowner housing stock into rental property. We see that happening right now.

    As opposed to anyone from Delaware?
    Alan Greenspan thought enlightened self interest would prevent an economic crisis Like the Great Recession too. He has since changed his mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Really?

    What caused the Great Depression?
    The natural tendency for unregulated markets to go wobbly and topple over every so often. The new institutions of consumer credit, modern marketing (which means creating new wants and needs rather than just fulfilling those people already have), and a sense that the rules of economics had somehow changed during the runaway 20's made it worse than previous panics, but there were plenty of them before.

    Bubbles burst. They simply do. See: Panic of 1857, recessions during most of the years of the 1860's, Panic of 1873, three recessions in the 1880s, Panic of 1893, Panic of 1896, two more recessions between that time and the Panics of 1907 ad 1910, two more recessions before the Panic of 1920-21, and two more recessions during the 1920's before the Great Depression. You can find a statistical breakdown for all downturns of the US economy here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

    But look at the total loss in each case. The Great Depression created a -26.7% effect, but that's about the 4th worst among the downturns I've mentioned.

    What made the Great Depression worse was the EXPECTATION that the expansion of the 1920's had created in consumers and producers and the real improvements in standard of living that were achieved then. If you take away from people what they've come to see as rightfully theirs, they feel the loss more acutely.
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    I think the problem at this point are the people. I think there are so many radicalized citizens, that it's impossible for reps and dems to actually work together. If they do so, they get hated and primaried, and so the problem just gets worse. I wonder where we go from here?
    Agree. Saw a couple polls that show Jeff Flake in AZ losing his primary. What does it say when someone moderate who tries to get along with both sides loses their seat to a far right or left? Its definitely the people, a fickle bunch who sadly I fear are loving their social media reality tv personas better than wonks. It wouldn't surprise me to see Jerry Springer win in Ohio or Kid Rock in Michigan.

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    What does it say when someone moderate who tries to get along with both sides loses their seat to a far right or left?
    It says the GOP in Arizona is off its meds. They voted to censure John McCain for being too liberal, if you remember.

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    A rare Republican moderate decides to walk away from Congress



    I think this is the biggest challenge the GOP has ever gone through.
    I can't say yay, because that isn't good for us, but I can say Bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    They seem to be doing fine to me.

    They keep winning seats.

    Its the democrats that can't get any moderates which is the problem.
    One of your problems, there are many, is, to you, a moderate is someone who has to think what you think.

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    Republicans jumping ship amid dissatisfaction in Trump era



    WASHINGTON — Veteran Republicans are bailing on Congress in growing numbers, as GOP control of Washington fails to produce the unity or legislative successes party leaders wish for. With President Donald Trump willing, if not eager, to buck fellow Republicans and even directly attack them, a number of lawmakers no longer wish to be involved.
    The latest was two-term Rep. Dave Trott of Michigan, who said in a statement Monday that he'd decided after careful consideration that the best course for him was to spend more time with his family and return to the private sector.

    In contrast to those diplomatic words was Trott's most recent tweet, sent in mid-August: "I think America needs more unity and less divisiveness...meaning @realDonaldTrump should focus more on golf & have less press conferences."
    So righties, once the swamp is drained, how many republicans do you think will be left?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    A rare Republican moderate decides to walk away from Congress



    I think this is the biggest challenge the GOP has ever gone through.

    Sounds like a good thing to me. If we could only get everyone of the career politicians to just step down instead of wasting everyone's time and money trying to keep their seats.

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