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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That would take away the peoples right to choice. But then choice only matters to democrats when it includes killing a baby. Canada has no right to demand what laws we have. Let Canada take care of it's own
    It's a trade negotiation. We are global leaders in advancing trade with the desired result of raising the living standards and economic contributions across the world. We don't typically say "fend for yourself" to anyone when it comes to trade, unless they are Cuba, Syria, Iran, North Korea, and Sudan, and a few others to an extent. Certainly we would not approach Canada that way.

    Again, what the U.S. should do is flip this demand and say that if Canada is unhappy with how non-competitive its overwhelming unionism has made it, they can help themselves economically by improving worker protections against union coercion by dismantling their own forced unionism, not trying to get the U.S. to reinstate it. Do more of what's working, rather than trying to get others to imitate what you're doing that's not working.

    In short, the US can laugh off this demand from Canada and its negotiating position can be to pull both countries toward the middle on labor. Labor standards in central and south America could stand to rise a bit, and Canada can become a little more competitive and retain more jobs by reducing the stranglehold over their country they've abdicated to unions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Canada knows Trump's claims that Nafta is unfair to the US is bullshit. Im glad they called him on what makes the deal good for the USA.

    Canada knows Congress will not just let Trump scrap NAFTA without something in its place. This is ACA all over again.
    So you are a NAFTA supporter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It's a trade negotiation. We are global leaders in advancing trade with the desired result of raising the living standards and economic contributions across the world. We don't typically say "fend for yourself" to anyone when it comes to trade, unless they are Cuba, Syria, Iran, North Korea, and Sudan, and a few others to an extent. Certainly we would not approach Canada that way.

    Again, what the U.S. should do is flip this demand and say that if Canada is unhappy with how non-competitive its overwhelming unionism has made it, they can help themselves economically by improving worker protections against union coercion by dismantling their own forced unionism, not trying to get the U.S. to reinstate it. Do more of what's working, rather than trying to get others to imitate what you're doing that's not working.

    In short, the US can laugh off this demand from Canada and its negotiating position can be to pull both countries toward the middle on labor. Labor standards in central and south America could stand to rise a bit, and Canada can become a little more competitive and retain more jobs by reducing the stranglehold over their country they've abdicated to unions.
    It is about Trade not labor laws. If they want unions let them have them they have no right to try and force us to have them. That liberal ass will do great damage to Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is about Trade not labor laws. If they want unions let them have them they have no right to try and force us to have them. That liberal ass will do great damage to Canada
    They're inadvertently admitting as much in explaining why they're making this demand, which is that union coercion is making them non-competitive with the U.S. That puts egg on the face of Canadian unions, even as they applaud this negotiating tactic. The real reason is it's a political stunt, aimed at exposing Trump as an anti-union President after he stole a bunch of union household votes with his anti-NAFTA rhetoric during the campaign. This demand is purely an attempt to create an uncomfortable labor position for Trump so they can get their friends, the Democratic Party, to take back the White House in 2020 by turning union households off from Trump despite his anti-trade rhetoric.

    The US negotiators might as well turn this right around on Canada and tell them that rather than trying to make the US similarly non-competitive, that Mexico raise its standards a little more and Canada should stop letting unions run their country and coerce their workforce. That brings both toward the middle on labor while giving the US a coherent negotiating position that lets them laugh off this absurd proposal.
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    The labour issue had to do with how Mexico strongly favours companies, and the Mexican workers are the ones who lose money in comparison to Canadian and American workers.

    https://ca.reuters.com/article/busin...CN1BF00H-OCABS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    The labour issue had to do with how Mexico strongly favours companies, and the Mexican workers are the ones who lose money in comparison to Canadian and American workers.

    https://ca.reuters.com/article/busin...CN1BF00H-OCABS
    Why are the working people of any of the three countries hearing about these trade deals through the rhetoric of labor union leaders? Unions represent a minority share of each country's workers, and that's not going to change regardless of the outcome of these talks, so why microphones being shoved in the faces of union leaders as if they are the voice for the entire nations' workforces? They are most definitely not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Why are the working people of any of the three countries hearing about these trade deals through the rhetoric of labor union leaders? Unions represent a minority share of each country's workers, and that's not going to change regardless of the outcome of these talks, so why microphones being shoved in the faces of union leaders as if they are the voice for the entire nations' workforces? They are most definitely not.
    The union is Angry because Mexico looks more favourable to companies, and yes this effects the US too. Do you not remember when car factories started moving to Mexico?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    The union is Angry because Mexico looks more favourable to companies, and yes this effects the US too. Do you not remember when car factories started moving to Mexico?
    I'm not interested in why the union says the union is angry, what I'm wondering is why the media looks to union leaders to explain the status of trade agreements between nations. Union leaders don't speak for the nation. They speak for their union.

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    I'm not interested in why the union says the union is angry, what I'm wondering is why the media looks to union leaders to explain the status of trade agreements between nations. Union leaders don't speak for the nation. They speak for their union.
    So you are not happy to hear that they may discuss creating an agreement that would prevent more companies from taking jobs to Mexico for cheaper labour costs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    So you are not happy to hear that they may discuss creating an agreement that would prevent more companies from taking jobs to Mexico for cheaper labour costs?
    I'm not sure why you're fumbling over what I'm saying or trying to stretch the interpretation. What I'm not happy about is apparent authority given to union leaders to speak about what each country "should" do concerning the trade agreements.

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