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    Perhaps but calling it just a white persons problem is probably not going far enough. I suggest everyone on this thread read a book called "White Trash", it will open your eyes to our real history and also to who really ran our nation from day one. Hint; it sure wasn't the recent immigrant. The dominant theme of our original founding culture was class based, we could not escape England no matter how hard they tried. All subsequent cultural adaptations rest upon this one basic foundation, class based upon land, wealth, education, speech and status. The little sub-cultures that sprung up everywhere were from outcasts or from the local ruling class. 230 years later, the results are that white people now lay claim to that same desire to be dominant over everyone else, they gave up on class based mores and just accepted that being white was good enough.
    Not sure about that, but it's human nature to want to find someone lower than oneself to feel higher than something. That isn't unique to poor white Americans. But regarding that, it's how white indentured servants were turned against slaves, with whom they wanted to rebel. The masters were slick and gave some advantages to the whites so they'd be like ok, well, it could be worse.

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    Can't find it now, but recently I made a thread on the movie 'The Free State of Jones' which had a lot of messages about race, as did several articles about them. One of them was why some white people NEED an 'N-word'. (Posting this as a reminder to myself to track down that article)

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    James Baldwin, offering advice for combating racism in 1963, directly addressed white people's role: "What white people have to do, is try and find out in their own hearts why it was necessary to have a [n-word] in the first place, because I'm not a [n-word], I'm a man, but if you think I'm a [n-word], it means you need it."

    That is brilliant.

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    I know a few women who married Jewish doctors who converted religions and refer to themselves as Jewish. Are they not considered Jewish?
    Oy, that's a whole other debate. But yes, a valid conversion means the person is Jewish. One must have a Jewish mother to be born Jewish, however, and this would apply to the children of a female who converts.

    The question is as to what counts as a "valid" conversion, and this is a practical as well as theoretical question, and is the source of no small controversy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Also, American Culture was and is shaped by the dominant culture, which is made up of white people.
    I think you're right about this, but you framing of the question this way begs another question. What is "white?" Various groups (including Irish people if you look early enough, but certainly for Italians, Poles, Jews, Hungarians, etc.) have been kept out of the "white" group until being let in later. "White" is an ever-expanding category in our history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I think you're right about this, but you framing of the question this way begs another question. What is "white?" Various groups (including Irish people if you look early enough, but certainly for Italians, Poles, Jews, Hungarians, etc.) have been kept out of the "white" group until being let in later. "White" is an ever-expanding category in our history.
    Oh Lord. That question keeps Stormfront busy. I did earlier in this thread specify European 'whites'. Not as my definition of what is 'white', but as what makes up the dominant culture here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Oh Lord. That question keeps Stormfront busy. I did earlier in this thread specify European 'whites'. Not as my definition of what is 'white', but as what makes up the dominant culture here.
    But hasn't the dominant culture here been formed over a period of time, and haven't all our ancestors--black and white--contributed to that culture? And "Europe" has meant a lot of different things over the course of our history.
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    Add the sport of hockey to "white culture".

    Pretty much only "white" Western countries (and Russia) play it internationally; as far as I know, Canada's Subban brothers are the only black guys to play pro hockey here, in NHL


    P.K. Subban was part of the team that won Olympic Gold in Sochi in 2014

    Yep, it is a very "white" sport

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    There are many definitions and ways to break it down.

    Basically it goes back to Americanization where all white immigrants came together to form a new nation. They cast their culture aside for a new one basically.

    You can nitpick it and say other races were involved, and they were, but it was mostly whites who braved the New World and then fought for independence.

    Those events in history formed a new culture that is America and other events throughout the years have added to it.

    Call in Manifest Destiny in a way if you will.

    Some people believe that this "culture" is threatened with immigration.

    People fear that minorities will tear down what the whites created.

    They are wrong of course but that's the main reason why.
    Manifest Destiny was THE TERM used to justify killing Amerindians in the name of European culture expansion. Why are you trying to minimize it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    But hasn't the dominant culture here been formed over a period of time, and haven't all our ancestors--black and white--contributed to that culture? And "Europe" has meant a lot of different things over the course of our history.
    Of course.

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