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    Perhaps but calling it just a white persons problem is probably not going far enough. I suggest everyone on this thread read a book called "White Trash", it will open your eyes to our real history and also to who really ran our nation from day one. Hint; it sure wasn't the recent immigrant. The dominant theme of our original founding culture was class based, we could not escape England no matter how hard they tried. All subsequent cultural adaptations rest upon this one basic foundation, class based upon land, wealth, education, speech and status. The little sub-cultures that sprung up everywhere were from outcasts or from the local ruling class. 230 years later, the results are that white people now lay claim to that same desire to be dominant over everyone else, they gave up on class based mores and just accepted that being white was good enough.
    Haven't read that one, but I did read JD Vance's Hillbilly Elegy and thought it was excellent. Maybe I'll check this one out as well.

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    If you want to know about "white culture" at the turn of the century in America, you need go no further than that era's own "Superman," the embodiment of values that American parents were happy to see instilled in their sons:
    Frank Merriwell, in the words of his creator, Gilbert Patten, stood for truth, faith, justice, the triumph of right, mother, home, friendship, loyalty, patriotism, the love of alma mater, duty, sacrifice, retribution and strength of soul as well as body. Frank was manly; he had "sand." He was tolerant. Although he neither smoked nor drank—"Frank had proven that it was not necessary for a man to drink at Yale in order to be esteemed a good fellow"—he gladly "blew off" his chums to fizz at Morey's while he quaffed ginger ale. He was honest. When some prankish classmates stole a turkey from a farmer's coop, Frank risked capture by staying behind to nail a $5 bill to the roost. "Have all the sport you like over it," he told his laughing friends, "but I feel easy in my mind."

    Above all, Frank was modest. As a freshman in a boarding house on York Street, he tolerated Spartan furnishings, but as a sophomore in South Middle he did up his rooms with souvenirs of his adventures in South America, Africa, Europe, Asia and Australia. On the floor were grizzly bear and tiger skin rugs; on the walls, bows and arrows, pistols and "a heavy ax, the blade of which was rusty and stained with blood"; and, as a final touch, away up near the ceiling, "safely out of reach." a strange knife, tipped with green, in a glass case with the sign, THE SNAKE KNIFE OF THE PAMPAS, POISON! Frank's friends—Bart Hodge, Jack Diamond, Bruce Browning and the rest of the crowd—were wont to meet there once or twice a week for "jolly gatherings," but whenever anyone asked about the unusual decor, which "elicited no small amount of surprise." Frank would sigh, "What's the use of talking about what one has done? It's not that which counts here."
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    I mention this because I've read a couple of Frank Merriwell novels, and he does occasionally discuss what it means to be a good Anglo-Saxon.
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    So I think it's the lack of strong cultural beliefs that have made America as successful as it is, to be honest. We don't cling to the "old ways" to our detriment. Also having a separation of church and state has a lot to do with this as many so-called cultural beliefs are actually based in religion.

    Americans have always been willing to put our cultures, whatever they may be, aside for progress. And that's usually a good thing IMO. It's probably why I didn't like the pandering to coal miners when it's obviously over for so many reasons. You look at countries in the ME and they're still fighting over 400 year old sectarian grudges. Can you imagine if we did that here? Especially with all the different denominations of Christianity, who chose to stay united over the belief in Christ as opposed to the minor differences between their particular churches.

    If there's a truly American culture, it would have to include the embracing of the future and leaving the past in the past. And tolerance for the cultures of immigrants, mostly because it was worth it to exploit them for cheap labor and profit and while that has bred a lot of resentment, it's worked more in our favor than against us.

    I didn't hear all this bellyaching about culture till recently, when it became synonymous with character. Like "Muslims are bad people because they treat women and gays like shit" but until it became profitable to have gay pride parades in big cities and women gained the right to have their own financial interests recognized Christians did the same thing.

    Which just proves a certain amount of tolerance is to everyone's benefit.
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    this country is going through a demographic shift away from a majority white population. That's a source of insecurity for some ; even anxiety. Trump spoke to those feelings and provided a quick fix. It won't last. Nor will being resentful and angry change the reality of things to come. Societies evolve in their own ways.
    Is that totally lacking merit? Hillary didn't help/isn't helping speaking about this as if it's a zero-sum situation. She recently said that whites are angry over 'gains others have made'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Is that totally lacking merit? Hillary didn't help/isn't helping speaking about this as if it's a zero-sum situation. She recently said that whites are angry over 'gains others have made'.
    It's rather a natural human outcome. Right now (according to a report I heard on NPR) the American middle class hasn't advanced since the late 1990's in real terms, though this year there were some advances. At the same time, the gap between minorities and whites as shrunk--that's a good thing, right? And yet it is a source of resentment.

    If all the boats were rising, those already riding high wouldn't mind so much that others were catching up. But when advances in living standards are flat, the greater equality of minorities causes resentment. That's a natural human reaction.

    Whether it's a GOOD reaction or a functional one remains to be seen. What do you think?

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    It's rather a natural human outcome. Right now (according to a report I heard on NPR) the American middle class hasn't advanced since the late 1990's in real terms, though this year there were some advances. At the same time, the gap between minorities and whites as shrunk--that's a good thing, right? And yet it is a source of resentment.

    If all the boats were rising, those already riding high wouldn't mind so much that others were catching up. But when advances in living standards are flat, the greater equality of minorities causes resentment. That's a natural human reaction.

    Whether it's a GOOD reaction or a functional one remains to be seen. What do you think?
    I think that's an affirmation that the government wants us divided so that we are at each other over our ever-diminishing share of the pie rather than looking at them.

    I do not personally relate to feeling afraid, anxious, or resentful over minorities gaining greater equality, as you put it. I do sort of understand the culture aspect of becoming a minority feeling odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I think that's an affirmation that the government wants us divided so that we are at each other over our ever-diminishing share of the pie rather than looking at them.

    I do not personally relate to feeling afraid, anxious, or resentful over minorities gaining greater equality, as you put it. I do sort of understand the culture aspect of becoming a minority feeling odd.
    I'm not quite sure that I agree about a diminishing pie. The pie is actually growing. The problem is that a larger share is going to a tiny minority, namely the top 5% of the economy. That does leave less for the rest of us and the resentment stems from that. The problem is that some whites resent the wrong people.

    You're correct that there are people who want us divided and it's that 5% that is profiting from our divisions. And they use our government to shovel the gains in the economy their way and they use it to divide us.
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    I'm not quite sure that I agree about a diminishing pie. The pie is actually growing. The problem is that a larger share is going to a tiny minority, namely the top 5% of the economy. That does leave less for the rest of us and the resentment stems from that. The problem is that some whites resent the wrong people.

    You're correct that there are people who want us divided and it's that 5% that is profiting from our divisions. And they use our government to shovel the gains in the economy their way and they use it to divide us.
    Right. I said our share is ever-diminishing.

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