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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Again, not all of these assaults are due to getting drunk....

    Don't think we would "schooled" by parents back in the day about the dangers of getting too drunk in college, because sexual assaults were not talked about then.

    I just find it hard to believe that parents don't talk their son's in this area. I know I have, several times. Then again he's not a big party type to begin with thankfully.

    I find it discouraging as well to blame some of these assaults on girls, even if they were drunk. 9 times out of 10, it's guys who make the first "move". My link shows many girls never even report the assault. I would assume the same goes the guys who are victims as well. Probably even more so.
    I was schooled big time by my Dad...he told me "Men are natural born liars and will tell you anything to get what they want" At 18, he was spot on. I am sure guys are making the first move...they are most likely drunk as well....in a alcohol social setting. Girls may not be reporting "mauling" but I would hope they are reporting a invasive type rape. Reminding a girl to be careful is not the same as blaming them or slut shaming them. I would bet the farm many of these guys are not being taught crap at home about respecting women...if that were the case, they would not be sending dick pics to girls, sexting them, or banging them while unconscious.

    Good job for talking to your son....tell him to not date until he is 30 and women should be cherished like angels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I was schooled big time by my Dad...he told me "Men are natural born liars and will tell you anything to get what they want" At 18, he was spot on. I am sure guys are making the first move...they are most likely drunk as well....in a alcohol social setting. Girls may not be reporting "mauling" but I would hope they are reporting a invasive type rape. Reminding a girl to be careful is not the same as blaming them or slut shaming them. I would bet the farm many of these guys are not being taught crap at home about respecting women...if that were the case, they would not be sending dick pics to girls, sexting them, or banging them while unconscious.
    As if women don't use men.

    They are the masters of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I was schooled big time by my Dad...he told me "Men are natural born liars and will tell you anything to get what they want" At 18, he was spot on. I am sure guys are making the first move...they are most likely drunk as well....in a alcohol social setting. Girls may not be reporting "mauling" but I would hope they are reporting a invasive type rape. Reminding a girl to be careful is not the same as blaming them or slut shaming them. I would bet the farm many of these guys are not being taught crap at home about respecting women...if that were the case, they would not be sending dick pics to girls, sexting them, or banging them while unconscious.

    Good job for talking to your son....tell him to not date until he is 30 and women should be cherished like angels.
    Agree with a lot of that...

    But you see people blaming the girls and calling them femanazi's here - really uncalled for.

    Pretty sure any college age boy should just know that you don't sexually assault anyone who is unconscious. Even if they are drunk as well they should know what unconscious is.

    Oh my son get's it from both myself and his sister - believe me, even if he is rude to one of us he get's a earful!!

    When he was in high school, girls on the water polo team would tell him how nice he was (he played boys water polo). So I figured I was doing something right
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Agree with a lot of that...

    But you see people blaming the girls and calling them femanazi's here - really uncalled for.

    Pretty sure any college age boy should just know that you don't sexually assault anyone who is unconscious. Even if they are drunk as well they should know what unconscious is.

    Oh my son get's it from both myself and his sister - believe me, even if he is rude to one of us he get's a earful!!

    When he was in high school, girls on the water polo team would tell him how nice he was (he played boys water polo). So I figured I was doing something right
    What the hell does a feminzazi have to do with sexutal assault?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    As if women don't use men.

    They are the masters of it.
    Bull puckey!! Women are perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I agree...women should be taught how young men behave when they have too much to drink. They are immature and have barely evolved beyond a rock ape. We also need to teach our young men how to treat a woman. I think that ship has sailed for young men. You don't have sex with anyone who is unconscious and it is a really bad idea if a stranger initiates sex and consents only to be mistreated after it happens by not returning text messages, kissing and telling or just becoming a dick afterwards. This creates "buyers remorse" and girls get pissed and rape accusations are perfect retaliations. If I had a son, I would advise him against engaging in sex if he is drunk...10 minutes could ruin your life and women deserve better than that.
    I feel 100% confident, I raised a daughter who could keep herself safe. As safe as it is possible to be, anyway.

    I am not AT ALL sure I'd know how to do that with a son these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    This thread is so strange - feminazi's and thinking that college age girls are stupid to know about how much to drink.

    There is far more to sexual assaults on college campuses then just raping girls who are unconscious. Guys are victims too.

    One in five female undergraduates have experienced some kind of sexual assault while in college, according to a new study of students at nine institutions released Wednesday by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. The study included survey responses from 15,000 women and 8,000 men, and defined sexual assault as including both rape and sexual battery, such as forced kissing, touching, grabbing or fondling.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quick...aulted-college
    The pendulum has swung too far.

    First, we no longer seem willing to submit college kids to the rigors of the criminal justice system. "Forced touching" is a crime, or it isn't. There is nothing SACRED about the bodily integrity of females that is not true of the bodily integrity of males. It is a HUMAN right, not to be physically forced into a sexual interaction.

    Second, we want a system (or it appears that some of us do) where the accusers are always believed. Fuck due process, probable cause, evidence, etc. All that's needed is to wind up the Campus Female Outrage Machine and some sad boy's life is destroyed.

    Then we have the OTHER side of this equaition, where HS boys gang rape a teenaged girl after force-feeding her liquor until she is unconscious, and VIDEO share it, but the community does not want the boys prosecuted because they are "football stars".

    NOBODY should be above the law, and NOBODY should be beyond the law's protection. And our colleges and universities should not be setting up their own kangaroo courts for sexual crimes.

    Last edited by Madeline; 13th September 2017 at 03:47 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Read this before you decide:

    https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violence


    And remember Brock Turner? let out after three months for good behaviour, total sentence 6 months,

    BUT,,,,

    FACT CHECK: Did a Criminology Textbook Use Brock Turner as an Example?

    Just remember, the government can't do shit right anyway,,,, but we, (the mothers) can, and we will.

    So here's to using methods OUTSIDE of the law, to combat rape on campus.
    Not the same thing. Turner was convicted and given a lenient sentence. We're talking about men who have been accused and not convicted.
    There have been enough high profile false allegations; Duke University, the Rolling Stone story, Mattress Girl; that we shouldn't be in a hurry to ruin someone's academic career and life over an accusation. A man doesn't have fewer rights to due process because he's in college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Agree with a lot of that...

    But you see people blaming the girls and calling them femanazi's here - really uncalled for.

    Pretty sure any college age boy should just know that you don't sexually assault anyone who is unconscious. Even if they are drunk as well they should know what unconscious is.

    Oh my son get's it from both myself and his sister - believe me, even if he is rude to one of us he get's a earful!!

    When he was in high school, girls on the water polo team would tell him how nice he was (he played boys water polo). So I figured I was doing something right
    I don't care what happens to rapists. They can rot in prison for all I care. But everyone has a right to due process. No one should want to see lives ruined by false allegations.

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    I'm not crazy about DeVos ... But she's taking a responsible approach. She's not tearing up an Obama policy, drinking a glass of wine, and calling it a successful night. It sounds like she's actively researching ways to improve the system.

    As for practical change, for now DeVos is seeking public feedback on how to improve the system. One model she has mentioned — referring Title IX sexual assault complaints to "regional centers" that would coordinate their work with law enforcement — is a promising idea. (DeVos credited it to former prosecutors Gina Smith and Leslie Gomez; a similar proposal has been made by George Washington University law professor and civil rights advocate John Banzhaf.)
    Source - CNN
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