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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Please stop blaming the girls who get raped.
    Please stop assuming that every claim of rape is truthful.

    Feminism is not the elevation of women's rights above men's. It is the belief that they are entitled to equal treatment. College boys are entitled to be presumed innocent and not be treated as guilty unless they are found guilty in a court of law.

    Don't you have young men in your family and friends group you love dearly? I certainly do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    This thread is so strange - feminazi's and thinking that college age girls are stupid to know about how much to drink.

    There is far more to sexual assaults on college campuses then just raping girls who are unconscious. Guys are victims too.

    One in five female undergraduates have experienced some kind of sexual assault while in college, according to a new study of students at nine institutions released Wednesday by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. The study included survey responses from 15,000 women and 8,000 men, and defined sexual assault as including both rape and sexual battery, such as forced kissing, touching, grabbing or fondling.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/quick...aulted-college
    I do have a daughter. I taught her to PLAN to drink only when she was PLANNING to be safe, as in, no need to drive a car and no risk of harm from men she did not trust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It does if the act of rape is given such a broad definition, as Obama-era initiatives sought to do, that consent becomes a subjective judgment call that has hairsplitting arbitrary criteria. As the OP link mentions when it cites a rape survivor critical of Obama-era regulations on this issue, such broad definitions of rape "trivialize sexual violence."

    For example, if lack of sober consent is rape, then at what B.A.C. is consent legitimate? 0.08? Less? Who makes that determination? Should colleges require pre-sex breathalizers and signed documentation to be filed?



    You're on the extreme end of the assault spectrum where no one disputes the wrongness. It's extremely wrong. But it's also a very difficult issue in that a line in the sand has to be drawn, and false or questionable accusations of rape can ruin people's lives. Due process over this issue is very difficult, but imperative.

    If two college kids are three shots of vodka into the night and make the mutually inebriated decision to go at it, that's rape if the female decides it is upon sobering up? There is every shade of gray involved in the issue of substance use, sex, and consent that people need to be reasonable and due process must be held to a high standard for the protection of both the accuser and the accused.
    Extremely difficult legal questions, that college administrators are not equipped to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soupnazi View Post
    No it is quite accurate in describing modern feminists.

    No more a fail than using the term pussy grabber
    I am not a "modern" feminist but a second wave feminist and it was insecure males who used that term in the 70s coined by the repulsive Rush Limbaugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I do have a daughter. I taught her to PLAN to drink only when she was PLANNING to be safe, as in, no need to drive a car and no risk of harm from men she did not trust.
    We shouldn't have to warn our daughters...we should warn our sons that the penalties for their behavior is serious. I just find it so sad that we have to warn our daughters all the time, like give them curfews and not the boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    I am not a "modern" feminist but a second wave feminist and it was insecure males who used that term in the 70s coined by the repulsive Rush Limbaugh.
    he actually coined it in the nineties but that is irrelevant.

    It is still accurate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Young women in college need to be taught we don't live in a world where they can DEMAND to be kept safe even if they get so intoxicated, they become unconscious.
    Again, blaming the women. They become intoxicated, they become unconscious , and does that give the male the right to rape her? Young Men seem to be the ones who have to be taught in college that girls have every right to be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    We shouldn't have to warn our daughters...we should warn our sons that the penalties for their behavior is serious. I just find it so sad that we have to warn our daughters all the time, like give them curfews and not the boys
    Who is giving curfews just to girls and not boys?

    Generally if there are curfews in place it applies to both.

    You need to warn your daughters because there are predators and no amount of warning is going to stop them. That is why girls and women need to be aware of how to protect themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I am not sure you can lay this at Obama's door. Something has been happening with young feminists for some time.

    They seem to feel entitled to bully any male accused of a "sexual aggression", even one that is not a criminal act (if it occurred).

    No interest in, or appreciation for, due process.
    When one in Four women has been sexually assaulted, why do you choose to see poor men as being "bullied"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    When one in Four women has been sexually assaulted, why do you choose to see poor men as being "bullied"?
    Why do you not recognize that false accusations are just as heinous as real rape?

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