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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Yes, it got the point across. The point is that you project the behavior of a single individual onto an entire group of people, when you deem it convenient to do so.
    It's very Hitlerian of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Now, before I even continue with my opening post, allow me to remind everyone that I absolutely despise Trump. I loathe him with the passion of a thousand burning suns. I think he is incompetent, unpresidential, self-serving, possibly criminal, definitely fascist, and absolutely totalitarian. That being said, I saw the following headline, and all I could think was "What the actual fuck!?!?"

    Harvard psychiatrist Lance Dodes: Donald Trump is a “sociopath” and “a very sick individual”

    I a not even going to bother quoting any of this ludicrous article. If any of you want to dig deeper into this garbage, you may feel free. What I want to know is, how does this, in any way, help? Do mendacious articles, and hysterical proclamations of this sort make us less polarised as a nation? Does it bring us any closer to restoring order to the Presidency? Does it reach Trump, and inform him in any meaningful manner?

    These constant stories of psychological professionals, who have never had so much as a single conversational session with the man, constantly making proclamations about his mental facilities is ridiculous, and really needs to stop. All it does is piss off Trump supporters, and confirm for them that "The Media" is just "out to get him".
    PH Dims do the same here on a daily basis. I have yet to see you chastise them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Actually, no. Profiles don't make any determinations of mental state. They profile behaviours, not mental conditions, and they build a possible suspect pool of unsubs based on those behaviours. What these psychologists are doing is the exact opposite. They are observing behaviours, without any actual interactions, and making diagnoses determinations.

    However, let us assume, for the sake of argument, that you were correct, and this is perfectly reasonable practice for psychological professionals. My original question still remains. How does this help in the current political situation? Does it inform Trump, and convince him to behave differently? Does it bring us closer to an impeachment? Does it make us less partisan?

    Or does it just play into Trump's narrative that "The leftist Media" just wants to slander him? Does it embolden Trump to further attempt to marginalize the press? Does it anger Trump supporters, and fuel the partisan divide?

    If the answer is the former, then, by all means, let's keep hammering away, and writing these articles, and op-eds. If the answer is the latter, then please shut the fuck up, and quit printing shit you know is just gonna piss Trump supporters off with little to no practical benefit!
    But often they do mention mental conditions which can cause certain behaviors.

    I think a large percentage Trump's supporters will be continue to be mad no matter what is printed about him. It's what unappeaseables do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    We all do.

    All conservatives are the same, all Trump voters are Nazis, all Tea Party people are racists........both sides do this, welcome to politics.

    Generalization just makes it easier.
    There you go again. Why are you afraid to take sole responsibility for your own actions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    PH Dims do the same here on a daily basis. I have yet to see you chastise them.
    So you stalk him around the forum reading his every post?

    Or are you saying you make note of every single time psychiatric generalizations are made and when he fails to chastise them? My My, you are one busybody poster
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Only when people choose to react without thought. How hard is it to ask people to stop, and think before they react?
    The Trump supporter doesn't, simply because Trump doesn't. And THAT's what won him the election.

    So you can't blame the other side to try to copy his style, by being outrageous, if needed fact free, and simply provocative.
    What they do not get, is that the non-Trump supporter DOES actually think about what they read, and do put judgement on hat is said, and how its said, and how it's undermined with reason, no matter on which side. As you have just shown us.

    This is why they don't understand how this principle works for one side, but not for the other.

    Having that said, and without reading the article from your OP.. i do very much agree that Trump is a narcisisst, a sociopath, and a very sick individual.
    And i don't have no degree in psychology at all.. that does not prevent me from having this opinion, along with the right to share it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I submit that by encouraging the partisan divide, and by giving Trump ammunition to further marginalise the press it does hurt. If we are not healing the divide, we are exacerbating it.
    Again, being divisive above anything else, did work for Trump. It did work for the Bernie-or-bust folks.

    What the part on the left applying these tactics now is missing, is the fact that THEIR audience, has more depth, provocative thought and rational evaluation, which is why they don't reach their audience...

    One can't apply the same technique to different groups and anticipate it to work the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    These constant stories of psychological professionals, who have never had so much as a single conversational session with the man, constantly making proclamations about his mental facilities is ridiculous, and really needs to stop.
    It doesn't take a one on one session to determine a person is sociopathic.
    Trump is an open book, and confesses his sickness through his actions and words on a daily.

    Hell, you came to this conclusion yourself:

    I think he is incompetent, unpresidential, self-serving, possibly criminal, definitely fascist, and absolutely totalitarian.
    Did you have so much as a single conversational session with the man to come to that conclusion?
    Psychology was my minor in school.
    He's sociopath 101.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idiocracat View Post
    It doesn't take a one on one session to determine a person is sociopathic.
    Trump is an open book, and confesses his sickness through his actions and words on a daily.

    Hell, you came to this conclusion yourself:



    Did you have so much as a single conversational session with the man to come to that conclusion?
    Psychology was my minor in school.
    He's sociopath 101.
    Well Trump's rich with great lawyers. If he was poor and exhibited his same behaviors he would by his age have had a professional mental health exam and Dx, and felony record to go with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Well Trump's rich with great lawyers. If he was poor and exhibited his same behaviors he would by his age have had a professional mental health exam and Dx, and felony record to go with it.
    In a minute.
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