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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    That's nonsense. The public education system is based on state governments, which are in the hands of conservatives. The Common Core, for example, is a creation of the National Governors Association, which has been dominated by Republicans for a couple of decades.

    I was publicly educated K-12 and it didn't stop me from succeeding at a private college or an Ivy League grad school.

    Public schools in wealthy areas are just fine. It's poverty and disorganized families, not faulty ideas in curriculum, that create educational problems in our country.
    Mr. Czernobog,

    The public educations system is in the hands of the NEA, which is in reality, a funding arm of the Democrat party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Czernobog,

    The public educations system is in the hands of the NEA, which is in reality, a funding arm of the Democrat party.
    Again, nonsense. It's not "in the hands of the NEA." Does the NEA set curriculum? Does it set funding levels? Does it decide which teachers get hired? The NEA no more runs the American public school system than the UAW runs the auto industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Czernobog,

    The public educations system is in the hands of the NEA, which is in reality, a funding arm of the Democrat party.
    I didn't say that, but he's actually right. The NEA sets local school curriculum? Even the support that the NEA shows to democrats is understandable. After all, when is the last time that a conservative demonstrated a support for public education. Since the NEA is an interest group for public school educators why would you expect them to support political figures from a party that actively attempts to restrict, and remove public education?

    However, the efforts of the NEA are to strengthen the public school system. It takes no role in setting school curriculum.
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    Disturbing, yes.

    But I must say that I am surprised that you are surprised.

    This Civic Ignorance has been with us for quite some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Czernobog,

    Welcome to the liberal theory of education.
    Right, home schooling and Christian madrassa's. Texas textbooks celebrating the Easter bunny. You do believe in the Easter bunny doncha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    That's nonsense. The public education system is based on state governments, which are in the hands of conservatives. The Common Core, for example, is a creation of the National Governors Association, which has been dominated by Republicans for a couple of decades.

    I was publicly educated K-12 and it didn't stop me from succeeding at a private college or an Ivy League grad school.

    Public schools in wealthy areas are just fine. It's poverty and disorganized families, not faulty ideas in curriculum, that create educational problems in our country.
    I think lack of interest is part of it too. I remember when Mandela first became ill and I was talking to a group of HS students about him. They did not know who he was and asked me..."Is he that Gandhi guy?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Again, nonsense. It's not "in the hands of the NEA." Does the NEA set curriculum? Does it set funding levels? Does it decide which teachers get hired? The NEA no more runs the American public school system than the UAW runs the auto industry.
    Mr. Rasselas,

    Yes, yes, and yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Czernobog,

    Liberals control the public educations system. People publicly educated are dumb as box of rocks.
    The respondents were probably from Liberty University=the bastion of liberals. NOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Rasselas,

    Yes, yes, and yes.
    You, of course, can support your claims with evidence, and links?

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    I tend to think that most children will do what is demanded of them. I'm not sure that our educational system, currently, demands that they learn. When I was a youngster, if you failed, you failed and were held back, there was no such thing as a "social promotion". (I had a couple of friends that could have used it). Additionally, there is this current concept by some "that everyone deserves a trophy", perhaps, that concept has filtered into our educational system. We live in a competitive world and if we don't teach our children to accept competition and learn to compete, we do them no favors. I've heard some suggest it is a self esteem issue, but we will end with illiterates that feel good about themselves. My wife has some relatives and friends that retired from teaching in public schools sooner than they had planned because in the current environment, they stated that they could no longer take the actions required to maintain discipline in the classrooms.

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