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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Rasselas,

    Yes, yes, and yes.
    Just uttering a word doesn't make it true. You're simply wrong on all points. Obviously wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    When I was a youngster, if you failed, you failed and were held back, there was no such thing as a "social promotion". (I had a couple of friends that could have used it).
    Ummm....no. Either "no" or you are very old. Obviously they weren't holding kids back if you had friends who "could have used it" but weren't. You contradict yourself.

    Also, research indicates that holding kids back a grade doesn't help. It's easy to track the level of success of students who are held back as opposed to those who are let to go on to the next grade. Holding kids back does not usually make them more likely to succeed later. Quite the opposite, in fact. That may seem counter-intuitive, but it's true. They sometimes do hold kids back, but there are protocols for determining whether such an action is likely to improve their performance or hinder it--protocols based on research tracking students in the past.

    Additionally, there is this current concept by some "that everyone deserves a trophy", perhaps, that concept has filtered into our educational system. We live in a competitive world and if we don't teach our children to accept competition and learn to compete, we do them no favors. I've heard some suggest it is a self esteem issue, but we will end with illiterates that feel good about themselves. My wife has some relatives and friends that retired from teaching in public schools sooner than they had planned because in the current environment, they stated that they could no longer take the actions required to maintain discipline in the classrooms.
    If they couldn't maintain discipline in a classroom while others could, they probably should retire. Obviously, their methods didn't work and they were unable or unwilling to change them. What happens to most people if they don't change as their clientele changes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Source: The Annenberg Constitution Day Civics Survey

    So, apparently damned near a third of people surveyed couldn't name even one of the freedoms protected under the First Amendment. Even more disturbing there seem to be some Americans who think that "...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" - which is not even found in the Constitution - is not only in the Constitution, but is part of the First Fucking Amendment!!!

    I would have loved to have seen the ideological demographics of the respondents. I think it might have been instructive to see how familiar Progressives are with the Constitution, as opposed to Conservatives. Especially when you consider that over half of the respondents don't seem to be aware that even immigrants - yes, even "illegal" ones - do, in fact, have access to many of the same protections from the Constitution as citizens do. It is surprising that so few understand that the Constitution was not written in such a way as to delineate what citizens can, and cannot do, but rather to enumerate how the government will treat people​, whether citizens, or not.
    Wow.....

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