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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    How is it we keep hearing from the same people that Americans are simultaneously the MOST taxed people on the planet, while also warning us about becoming like all those other "higher taxed" nations? There seems to be a contradiction there.

    Either these people lack the brain capacity to recognize that it is a shift of where they pay, not an addition to what they pay and that they can still add on and supplement to coverage or they know full well what it is all about, but oppose it because they profit from the way things are currently and fight all efforts to cut off their current feeding off the "health industry" gravy train. There are those who fear that such a shift would be successful and they would not just lose out on the profits they have been racking in, but politically, their years of fighting it, would not look good if it were passed and became a huge success. Then there are people who just do not like change, even if it is for the better.......If the change occurs without their support and they see it is for the better and a success, then some of them act as if it were their idea.........

    If all people had to pay medical expenses out of pocket, the price might come down, due to how many could afford to pay for it. Insurance for anything, generally was once relegated to cover the cost of catastrophes, but when employers began to use paying their employees insurance as a lure (while they got to write of their cost of the insurance and avoid employer/employment taxes on it not being considered wages, insurance companies were glad to oblige and make it part of our culture (because they profited immensely from doing so). To consider that we are now talking about the affordability of the INSURANCE.....NOT the actual care, suggests things have gotten way out of whack with costs, some of those costs being the layers of profit taken by insurance companies and the cost of administering who gets paid what, what's covered, etc. Competition has NOT been good in the health care industry and when huge insurance companies are buying out other insurance companies, the notion of more "competition" is not there.

    In healthcare, it would seem the aim should be like defense........cover everyone. Those whining about a single payer system are often the same people that are all for increasing defense spending and supporting that department of government. If we could only put as much support into healthy Americans, as a we do for weapons of death and destruction, we could truly be great......But it seems some of those that want to make America great again, believe things like Jim Crow laws and less health care coverage for Americans were some of the things that made America great.......Hell, some seem to think bringing back slavery would "make America great again"....

    Since the vast majority, if not all things government are generally contracted out to the private sector, those who think the private sector is the only way to go, should feel a whole lot better and more confident that it will all be handled correctly, right? After all, who makes America's weaponry? The U.S. government or private companies, FOR the government?

    If the only way to get things done is through a President with predominate characteristics and one of them is vindictiveness and revenge on people who will not kow tow to his holy self, then I'm all for getting things done. The only worry I have is that this President is unpredictable and willing to turn (on a dime) on anyone who he's best buds with at any given time, thus deals that may be looking good right now, could turn more than sour tomorrow.
    Because you don't hear us say that.

    This is another lie made up by you.

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    I do hope this all works out just as you are selling it.

    All I know is that Obamacare has cost me more, and, I can no longer afford an Insulin Pump, because of the added taxes placed on medical devices. (Will be able to get one again, soon, however. Just saving up....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Thanks @NiteGuy

    I do hope this all works out just as you are selling it.

    All I know is that Obamacare has cost me more, and, I can no longer afford an Insulin Pump, because of the added taxes placed on medical devices. (Will be able to get one again, soon, however. Just saving up....)
    I understand Congress is trying to do away with that tax.

    I am really sorry this has cost you. The moderates have been trying to fix problems like yours for 5 years now.

    But,it finally seems things are beginning to break for all of us,including Doctors. The indecision is killing up all. I am also sorry I gave you a hard time.

    There are several in laws in my family,professionals,who lost their jobs,and are having a time making that kind of money again. They are hurting.

    This is why I just want a Congress that works,and could care less who gets credit.

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    What happened,Rohr?

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    PS Sorry for Thank spamming the hades out of you, NightGuy!

    The THANKS was sincere.

    I just didn't mean to blow up your inbox.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    Thanks @NiteGuy

    I do hope this all works out just as you are selling it.

    All I know is that Obamacare has cost me more, and, I can no longer afford an Insulin Pump, because of the added taxes placed on medical devices. (Will be able to get one again, soon, however. Just saving up....)
    OMG...you lost your insulin pump? A pump is a must for a type I.
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    Did that price increase on medical supplies come with Obamacare or was it always there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Everyone isn't my responsibility, my responsibility is myself.

    If you want healthcare go out and get some, don't ask me to pay for it for you.
    Okay, but everyone within say 100 miles of you affects your well-being. Sick babies, addicted teenagers, workers with broken arms who can't see the doctor, etc. These people will be more law-abiding and successful, and therefore better neighbors, if they can get health care.

    Even if you lived like the Unabomber, the health of other people would still directly affect YOU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    I agree with the principle, but chances are the cost savings will be vastly over projected. It was with PPACA, and I doubt this will be the exception.

    That said, I would love to be proven wrong!
    The devil is in the details. Universal health care is essentially nationalizing the health insurance industry. Arguably, that removes the profit and competition, and allows for efficiences of scale, etc.

    BUT....the $6 TRILLION health industry will not simply go away. They will need vigorous resistance. Step ONE is to prevent them from coming in the back door as subcontractors to Medicare.

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