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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    You have a reading and comprehension problem.....That seems to be apparent, along with your many post deflections away from answering very SIMPLE questions, when it appear you think they threaten and contradict the BS you're trying to pass off.



    Did you miss the above????






    NFL Fans Come From All Backgrounds

    1 in 4 NFL fans has an income above $100k. This places the NFL behind the NHL (33%) and the PGA (27%).

    26% of NFL fans make $40k or less annually. Only the NHL (21%) and the PGA (25%) have a smaller low income demographic.

    77% of NFL fans are Caucasian, compared to 15% being African-American/Black and 8% being Hispanic.

    The 55+ age demographic is the largest percentage off the NFL fans demographics at 37%. Another 34% of NFL fans are in the 35-54 age demographic.

    At 68,000 fans per event, only NASCAR at 98,000 fans per event eclipses the NFL for attendance.

    The NBA finals averages 26.7 million tweets over the course of a 4-7 game final. In comparison, the Super Bowl in just one game generates over 26 million tweets on average.
    https://brandongaille.com/17-captiva...-demographics/


    Get to know the NFL fan - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global





    https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/...-Percent-White


    It would appear, to some, as long as the "boys" shut up and continue to entertain them and make them big bucks by drawing in the white fans....they're sports heroes.....Once they get uppity, they're paid too, much spoiled thugs..... ???

    I would also guess that according to the above stats, while not a majority of fans, some of those poor and middle class people still have money left over, after all those taxes they pay to build sports stadiums, to buy tickets to enter those stadiums and be entertained by "paid too much" athletes......


    Like I said, I have mixed feelings about it because there are more than one side to every story and I like to try to take them all into account and weigh them, just as hopefully any judge, I might ever find myself before, does the same.......

    For some of the poor, especially blacks, sports is a means to get scholarships and find a way out of poverty and to give back (as Colin Kaepernick has).....That's a positive, no? The revenues generated also help pay for the stadium and in some cases more, but they do have to be weighed against any infrastructure needed to accommodate more people to a city because of the attraction. Planning is a part of my business and some people want big industries to come to their communities as a source of jobs. In some cases not all those jobs, if any, are filled by the people already in the community and that means people come from the outside to fill the jobs. In some cases that means enlarging existing schools or building new ones, more roads, streetlamps, sidewalks, etc. to maintain and increased capacity for fire and rescue in personnel and infrastructure (think water/hydrants) for fire suppression. It may mean an enlargement of law enforcement facilities and personnel......

    So yes, in some ways I agree with you, in other ways I do not, but from your postings, it would appear there is a whole slew of things you do not or do not want to consider, much like other people who like to complain a lot, but don't know a lot about what's behind what they are complaining about and thus come up with constructs that are NOT based on knowledge, but in anecdote, hearsay, rumor mills and those who exploit some people's ignorance to get themselves elected. Not all people of any of the forementioned are all the same, including the level to which some people are ill misinformed or lied to......
    It's not mixed. The result is the same every time. Redistribution of wealth from poor and middle class people to rich people. If sports brings so much wealth to an economy, then they should have no trouble finding voluntary investors. But the problem then is that they have to pay that money back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    That's a bunch of hooey. They are kneeling for their own ideas, not in any real effort to protest anything. If they were serious, they would be boycotting.
    Boycotting what?

    Boycotting football?

    They have no gripes with football. Why should they boycott it?

    They're using the platform which football gives them to bring awareness to an important issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    That's a bunch of hooey. They are kneeling for their own ideas, not in any real effort to protest anything. If they were serious, they would be boycotting.
    Why do you think football is the bad guy in this scenario. If you don't like the sport, don't watch.
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    Funny !

    I've been thinking lately about how Elitist TV has become. Not just the news and Hollywood Elitist snobbery toward Trump because he's not a Washington or Eastern establishment insider, but how the media regards the lower and lower middle class as ignorant sheeple who deserve to be led by the nose, and talked down to, as if they can be duped or lied to about foreign affairs, domestic policy or can be guilt tripped into backing a power Elite White House coup.

    Another example - I'm a big fan of American Dad, Cleveland Show but look at Family Guy and how bad it's gotten ( Seth McFarlane had a $5,000 dollar a plate fundraiser for Hillary at his house, and she cancelled and sh didn't even show up ) Seth McFarlane can insult: the gays, blacks, jewish, fat people, short people, women, old people, arabs, the poor, the physically disabled or crippled, the homeless, the lower middle class, hippies, the British, political activists, transgender, lesbians, AIDS victims, the developmentally disabled, the retarded, cancer victims, and U.S. soldiers maimed or who have PTSD - But I'm a Liberal who won't jump on the love Hillary and hate Trump bandwagon, and I'm treated like the bad guy at Prog. blogs.

    Much in the same way, the Liberal Eastern establishment like the New Yorker rushed to defend Norman Mailer after the author nearly stabbed his wife to death at a dinner party, and Hollywood still love to rub elbows w/ Hillary after all her wars and corruption.

    But back to television - like Family Guy and Law Order seem to enjoy targeting the more vulnerable, weakest, members of American society - the elderly, gays, the mentally ill or developmentally disabled, or physically crippled.

    see also: Family-Guy-Propaganda-The-Effects-It-Has-On-Viewers

    https://hubpages.com/politics/Family...Has-On-Viewers

    That being said – I think Fox News in general has become far better than the competition, even the local news affiliates – far better than NBC, CBS, CNN.

    Even entertainment wise – NBC Saturday Night Live beyond the Trump jokes, stale as they are, and even before Donald Tina Fey and the blonde dupe Amy seemed to have a hidden contempt for the American public behind their plastic smiles, and the same w/ Viacoms Daily Show – a Eastern establishment power Elite pit stop that regards its ‘uneducated’ America as beneath their Kennedy Center honors and Pulitzer prize ‘best -seller’ guest list.

    Certainly, even the NBC Law and Order franchise hides behind a false veneer of moral authority while wallowing in stereotypes, racism, and hollow tabloid drivel …

    Sitting Ducks: The Law & Order Franchise and You

    Sitting Ducks: The Law & Order Franchise and You - Ruthless Reviews



    i am so sick of rachel maddows, msnbc, cnn hollywoods actors phony, self righteous, conceited anti-trump impeachment drive crappola while they turned a blind eye to ukraine,syria,clinton foundation and numerous obama-hillary impeachable war, abuse of power, illegal and impeachable crimes ---- the lousy democrats won't be able to scrape their lousy reputationsoff the pavement for 50 years trying to scapegoat russia for their own corruption/incompetance.


    state of alt/left-right media

    by justin ramondo of anti-war

    (but greenwald is a tool)

    A Tale of Two Protests
    excerpt:

    "?The left, today, is worse than useless – they’re an obstacle, perhaps the greatest obstacle, to peace. The “liberals” who are the mass base of the Democratic party have been rapidly transformed into left-neocons, whose virulent ranting against Russia has made them into NATO’s most loyal foot-soldiers. This also goes for those “leftist” hustlers who exist on the Democratic party periphery, like Bernie Sanders and his supporters, who exist solely to raise the flag of the “left”-wing – and then hurriedly haul it down once they’ve been gypped out of making any gains by the party leadership.

    It’s true that there are people on the left, like Glenn Greenwald and the folks over at Consortium News, for example, who are sincere in their opposition to the neocon-ization of American liberalism, but their isolation and small numbers only highlight the fact that they are lone voices in the wilderness, drowned out by the Eric Boehlerts and Adam Schiffs.

    So – where are we? What does the current political landscape look like for those of us who are fighting for a rational foreign policy?

    On the left, as I’ve said, there is nothing – zero, zilch, nada. The remnants of the old Marxist left have been absorbed by the “social justice warriors,” and their agenda is simply to subordinate ending imperialism to their various identity politics hobbyhorses.

    On the right, we have a mixed bag: the old-style Republicans ...

    A Tale of Two Protests - Antiwar.com Original


    ....................
    and validation of whose running the deep state feeding frenzy illegal coup of Trump via magazines, tv newspapers, cspan thru monlithic cia / cfr media conglomerates


    Brennan, Rice, Power – Lock Them Up!
    by David Stockman

    excerpt;

    "The enabling culprits are Obama’s last CIA director, John Brennan, his national security advisor Susan Rice and UN ambassador Samantha Power. There is now mounting evidence that it was they who illegally "unmasked" NSA intercepts from Trump Tower; they who confected the Russian meddling narrative from behind the protective moat of classified intelligence; and they who orchestrated a systematic campaign of leaks and phony intelligence reports during the presidential transition – all designed to delegitimize Trump before he even took the oath of office."

    Brennan, Rice, Power ? Lock Them Up! - Antiwar.com Original

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    We had that fight here in the 90's.
    We also had it when I lived in the Phoenix area, mid-to-late 90s. First, was "Bank One Ballpark (for the AZ Diamondbacks), rammed through by the Maricopa County Board after the popular vote said no (followed by a nutjob - literally a week out of the looney bin - shooting one of the Supervisors). Then, there was a stadium for the Phoenix (later Arizona) Cardinals, which was voted down by the City of Mesa, and then later by a "stadium district" made up of Mesa, Queen Creek, and Gilbert or Chandler (I forget which). They did not end up getting their own stadium until 2006, prior to which (1988-2005) they played at ASU Sun Devil Stadium - and it wasn't in the East Valley, but in Glendale (in the NW area).

    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    If you really want to see where the lines are drawn, then have a referendum for public funding for stadiums. Voters here were overwhelmingly opposed. Party didn't matter. But Big Government, Big Business, and Big Labor were all for it and when those three get together, they'll just do whatever they want.
    All true, in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    If they were serious, they would ...
    That is their call, not yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    It's not mixed. The result is the same every time. Redistribution of wealth from poor and middle class people to rich people. If sports brings so much wealth to an economy, then they should have no trouble finding voluntary investors. But the problem then is that they have to pay that money back.
    Exactly. I made that point in a guest column in the Arizona Republic about the stadium tax, when a member of the Mesa City Council never responded to my request for him to show me the numbers of how great it would be for the city. Here's the text of the column, from June 5, 2002:

    M--- E--- finds it incomprehensible that many want to block the building of a stadium with tourists' tax dollars (Letters, "Let's not sabotage stadium," May 24).

    For most of us, though, it is easily comprehensible.

    Not all the tax money will come from tourists. Anyone who needs to rent a car or a hotel room, for any reason, would pay the tax, and there is no exemption for residents.

    Any local group putting on a conference or seminar would pay the tax. Visiting relatives would pay the tax - even if for weddings, funerals or other important events. That tax money does not come from tourists, and we would indeed be taxing ourselves or our families.

    Besides, it doesn't matter that the tax money comes from outside our locality. It is inappropriate for the public to subsidize someone else's privately owned, multimillion dollar business.

    If I choose to invest in a company, my fortunes become linked with the company's and fluctuate accordingly. But with taxes, the money is outright taken from someone and given to someone else. If the venture succeeds, the owners reap all the benefits; if it fails, we all suffer.

    The situation is one of no potential for gain (at least, not that anyone has shown concretely) with only potential for loss. In the real world, we seek a solution to this problem. In the case of a publicly financed stadium, we are seeking out the problem.

    Yes, many people say the stadium will benefit and revitalize the community. But where is the benefit to revitalizing an already vital community?

    Besides, we've seen downtown Phoenix since Bank One Ballpark went up. Increased traffic, noise and nuisance, vandalism, trash and public urination have caused property values to decline.

    Where's the benefit? If that's "revitalization," I'd rather stay depressed.

    To the stadium advocates, I say this: Show me the money! We've never seen a single financial statement showing how the community will be improved. We have, however, seen some data on other publicly financed stadiums - all negative.

    If the Arizona Cardinals want investment capital, there are plenty of legitimate avenues available. They can borrow the money.

    They can sell shares to the public, as the Green Bay Packers and the Rochester Redwings have done. They can sell bonds. If it's such a great financial benefit, prospective investors would be lining up around the block and stopping traffic to invest, and they'd have to turn away investors.

    But they know no one will voluntarily invest. Thus, they engage the government's taxing power - backed by the use of legal force, if necessary - to compel us to finance their business and make them money without making us money. Oh, they may choose to put money back into the community - but if not, the rest of us are out of luck.

    If the Bidwills want to build a stadium, fine - let them pay for it. That's what entrepreneurship is all about, and what makes America great.

    But taxing the public - any public - is really just theft with the imprimatur of government. And that is plain wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That is their call, not yours.
    Sure, and it's not their call to impose their beliefs on me. If I have paid hard earned money to go watch a game, I could care less about the players politics. I'm there to watch them play, not act a fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    Sure, and it's not their call to impose their beliefs on me. If I have paid hard earned money to go watch a game, I could care less about the players politics. I'm there to watch them play, not act a fool.
    You observing someone else is them imposing their beliefs on you?

    Snowflake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronwyn View Post
    Sure, and it's not their call to impose their beliefs on me. If I have paid hard earned money to go watch a game, I could care less about the players politics. I'm there to watch them play, not act a fool.
    So go take a piss during the national anthem and not only will they not bother you, but you won't have to be bullied by a mob mentality into standing up like a child with your hand over your heart to demonstrate your patriotism to the bone heads giving you the stink eye several seats down, policing up people who forgot to take their fucking hat off and such.

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